Re: Heat after A.Miller Nothing suggests to me that he is (and, it's not just "starting point guard"...we need a very good starter, and Chalmers is even further away from that standard). He was below average as a rookie (which isn't terrible) but then got even worse from there in his second year. So now he needs to improve a ton just to get to average. Portland doing this deal would set themselves back a lot for the next year or two, unless it's part of a move to get someone like Paul (a three-way with Beasley and more from Portland going to New Orleans). Not that I think it is, but that's the only way this would make sense.
Re: Heat after A.Miller So what, we get two future jailblazers? I'm glad to see the organization is still keeping with signing guys with good character. Unless Chalmers.....and Beasley especially are being moved in a nother deal, I hate this trade.
Re: Heat after A.Miller That would be a very good deal. No way we can pull it off without a GM though
Re: Heat after A.Miller I'm just posing the question -- I don't really have a good feel for his starting potential one way or another. I do think he is starting quality on the defensive end, but his big drop off in his second year is a pretty bad sign (I just looked up his stats and they were much worse his sophomore year than I thought they would be http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chalmma01.html yikes!) I guess if the team decided to move just Rudy for him and a first round pick (presumably Toronto's lottery protected first) then I think it would be a no brainer, including Miller without some guaranteed plan to get a high quality starting point would be suicide IMO. I think I can get behind this lineup: Miller/Chalmers/Johnson Roy/Bayless/Williams Batum/Babbitt/Dante? LMA/Camby/Pendergraph Oden/Camby/Pryz?
Nah, i want Miller to stay. i want more Miller dunks this year! Remember this one? [video=youtube;etSJam5VgH8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSJam5VgH8&NR=1[/video]
This deal blows ass. The only way I can see things working out is if we sign a free agent to replace Rudy in the lineup, like Mathews.
Re: Heat after A.Miller REPLY TO PLATYPUS TRADE IDEA; Except i couldn't get that trade to work on Realgm, but it's a great starter idea. Got it to work if it's Batum, Przbilla and Beasley to NO, Miller to Miami amd Paul and Chalmers to us. Throw in a draft pick from our side to NO
Re: Heat after A.Miller Don't you guys get it? Trading Rudy for Chalmers lets us get ANOTHER PG. The blazers new mantra from the 70s: "Eight is Enough."
There's been some additional information added. Miller and Rudy as a package deal is seen as being very unlikely, but Rudy for Chalmers and a first is seen as still having legs. http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/07/andre_miller_and_rudy_fernande.html That deal doesn't blow ass at all IMO. Both players are in a similar situation of coming off of down sophomore years, both probably want/need a change of scenery and the inclusion of a pick on Portland's side has got to be seen as enough to tip the scales from a push to a win.
Re: Heat after A.Miller Batum, Miller, Joel 1st from Portland, 1st from Toronto via Miami, 1st from Miami to NO Paul, Beasley, Chalmers to Portland Rudy to Miami
Re: Heat after A.Miller Do we really have a ton? I'm not so sure. You can't count the rookies because we have no idea how Williams and Johnson are going to pan out against NBA competition, Bayless is more 2 than 1, Rudy can't dribble with his off-hand and can't defend 1s, Mills is a less talented Damon clone, and what you are left with is a ball dominant 2 guard in Brandon who plays a little bit like a 1 and Andre Miller your only true point guard.
Re: Heat after A.Miller Miami HAS TO trade Beasley in order to possibly sign Lebron in addition to Wade, Bosh. They don't have the cap space NOW for three max contracts. If they're close to Lebron, they'll do ANYTHING and include ANYTHING in order to create that space. I wish we weren't the ones helping them out. BUT, if we can get Paul out of it (Chris not Schilly), then you do it and meet them in the Finals.
Well if you get Chalmers for Rudy, then you'll have a glut of PGs. I can't see a scenario where at least one of the three (Chalmers, Bayless, Miller) would be moved in another deal.
Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread yet is what New Orleans wants... George Shinn is trying to sell the team, so the fewer contracts they have, the better. While expiring contracts are appealing, a lack of contracts (or in this "what-if" case, a Traded Player Exception) are even better. Unquestionably the Blazers and Hornets have had discussions. Perhaps the Blazers have been told that a deal could get done if the Blazers could turn some of that expiring money into TPE Money? If we could do this Miami trade without bringing Beasley back, have it JUST be Chalmers and Toronto's pick, then we'd be bringing back a very nice TPE which would equal to Shinn dollar-to-dollar savings. No one out there is going to argue that this deal brings us fair talent back, however I think you could argue that it helps us in trying to get Paul with an Andre-Miller's-contract-sized TPE, Joel's Insurance covered contract, an extra appealing 1st rd. pick and less hesitance to move Bayless (since we'd have Chalmers as a backup). Certainly it's all supposition at this point, but if this trade WERE to guarantee us getting Paul, I'd say it'd be a no-brainer. Chalmers and an attractive 1st is GREAT value for Rudy at this point. Think about it this way -- CERTAINLY the Blazers have dangled Dre and Rudy as part of a Paul trade (along with other stuff), and NO walked away. If you could turn those 2 into some other package that NO would trade Paul for, isn't it worth it? AND on top of that, it would ALSO get us a young backup PG that we've liked for a long time (I trust our scouts more than I trust stats or my eyes), and potentially a 1st round pick (depending on what NO would want).
