Merged: Breaking: Wade and Bosh to Miami, LeBron joining Happy Days

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  1. BGrantFan

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    Re: Breaking: Wade and Bosh to Miami, LeBron joining Happy Days

    Portland started Juwan Howard at center for 1/3 of the season and Martell Webster at SF for 60% of the season.

    50 wins was quite the accomplishment, and most national NBA figures gave praise to the Blazers for their season they had with their injuries, unlike you and others here, who seem to relish taking a dump on the team whenever given the chance.

    What I like the best is people bitching about losing to the Suns in 6 games with Roy a shell of himself and Batum playing with one arm.
     
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    Re: Breaking: Wade and Bosh to Miami, LeBron joining Happy Days

    And no Oden, and no Przybill, and Rudy sand bagging it... Seriously, we could have played HCP and gotten better production.
     
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    I hope Dwight Howard eats Bosh, Etc.

    I respect Boston but I think they're done. Should be a three team conference between Cleveland-Orlando-Miami if I'm guessing right.
     
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    It really depends on who they surround Wade and Bosh with. Bosh wasn't exactly carrying the Raptors to the promised land last season. He's a good player, but I have a strong suspicion that Bosh and Wade won't be enough to put them over the top.
     
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    I think of it as a microcosm of Gasol-Kobe, except the East will be far more competitive at the top and they lack depth. So they could be comparable as a duo, but maybe not as successful as a team.

    They're not dynasty material, but they have a little core to build around. I think Cleveland can also land someone decent once Antawn's contract is expiring, or who knows maybe this year.

    Maybe Cleveland matches up better with Miami?

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=varejan01&p2=boshch01

    Still a lot of be decided obviously. One thing about Miami is that LeBron also seems to play well against them, their lack of Defense could hurt.
     
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    Yeah, but LA didn't have to give up the farm to get Gasol. The Heat gutted their team to sign more than one free agent, and now they have to start from scratch and build around Wade/Bosh. That's great and everything, but this isn't MLB. They don't have unlimited funds to bring in talent. It's going to be difficult to put a decent team around those two without any cap space or valuable trade assets.
     
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    I hope he stays in Cleveland.

    P.S.

    Fuck you, LBJ, for playing this out like you were the center of the universe.
     
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    Give LBJ some credit, he IS the King of Akron you know. Betta respect.
     
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    Whoa Bro, I hope he stays in Cleveland too, but I'm pretty sure the Media put him in the center of the sports universe.
     
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    Re: Breaking: Wade and Bosh to Miami, LeBron joining Happy Days

    Roy and Andre integrated their games later in the season, so I think assuming that early season issues would have forever been problems if everyone had played together is unreasonable.

    Roy missed significant time (17 games in the regular season) including, for all intents and purposes, the playoffs. Yes, he returned, but nowhere near full speed, so Portland essentially played the series without him (he had a PER below 5 for the playoffs). I was talking about Batum, but you're right that Miller might be top-four. He and Batum were close. So Portland absolutely lost 3 of their top 5 players for significant amounts of time, and arguably 3 of their top 4.
     
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    I'm pleased to see these two go to Miami. Without James, the Heat just aren't going to be that good. They're going to be good (55 wins, maybe) but I don't think they're a team that will be blocking other teams' title aspirations for years to come.

    As for James: his free agency this summer has been anticipated for years. Franchises have shifted strategies just to have a CHANCE to get him.

    Pretending like his decision on where to go is NOT the center of the NBA universe doesn't seem very realistic to me.

    Ed O.
     
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    So Trailblazers east?
     
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    The Blazers have much more depth and are much younger. The Heat will be two really really good players and pretty much nothing else.

    The Heat are also lacking quality at either position of scarcity (PG, center) for the foreseeable future, which I factor into my analysis.

    Miami will probably be better than the Blazers this year, but in the long run I prefer Portland's roster.

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    What if they were able to make the Miller/Okafor trade proposed in the other thread, giving them a starting 5 of Miller/Wade/(min sal SF)/Bosh/Okafor? How would you feel about them then?
     
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    Depth doesn't win a championship though. Usually it's the team with the best 2 or 3 players, and Miami's 2 best players are better than our 2 best players. As for PG, they could easily add somoene like Fisher or Ridnour and be fine. Center though is another story. Then again we won games last year with Howard at center? I'm not saying this season, but I think with a decent draft pick or two and a solid MLE guy next summer, they could be really good. But still not contend. That is what scares me about the Blazers. They are good, but just not good enough
     
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    Celtics-Lakers 2008.

    Depends on various factors.
     
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    How about generally speaking?

    Generally speaking, all WNBA players suck, but I know that's probably not 100% true.
     
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    Just trying to give you hope... ;)
     
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    The jury is still out on that. It really depends on the pieces they can get to fill out the roster. Wade and Bosh are certainly good enough to be the top two players on a perennially contending team.

    The last one-two punch in the league of this quality was arguably Garnett/Pierce in their first season together. The last time you had a tandem of this quality of players at such a young age was probably Kobe and Shaq (although admittedly they were much better).

    Bosh is 26, and Wade is 29 this year. They may not win it all this year, but they have maybe four or five years before the window closes on them (assuming they can't inject a Rondo or Ginobili-like guy somewhere along the way to extend the window). That's a lot of time to add the right pieces to make it work.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    The Celtics seemed pretty thin at those positions to right after acquiring Garnett and Ray Allen.

    I think I prefer Portland for the long-run too. But a lot of my hopes are riding on Oden, which obviously is nothing like a sure thing.
     

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