Iggy's deal is bigger and as long as Deng's. They need to put Iggy next to Deng to match up with Wade and James. When was this offer made? Before Thursday or after Thursday? Was this a "push James back to 3" type of deal? And the bulls could have just taken him outright before the Reddick deal for picks. Iggy's only making $12.3 this year. The bulls could use the cap exception they have to get him still I think, too.
Exactly. You don't trade Deng for Iggy because then you simply move the hole in your lineup from the 2 to the 3. Get Iggy with cap space, Taj and picks, then you've got a very, very good starting five in Noah, Boozer, Deng, Iggy, and Rose. What's more, you've at least conceivably got a means of combating Miami. Obviously we don't have their pure talent, but we'd sort of have the Pistons side of the Pistons vs. Lakers/Spurs rivalries, with 5 really good players and the possibility for a dominating defense. Excuse me if I don't see that happening much with JJ Reddick.
Yeah, I see Reddick as more of a Steve Kerr type. If they could somehow get Iggy and convince him to be more of a Pippen type, this bulls team could be scary good. I'd give up Gibson for that. Maybe they'd take James Johnson. With Korver backing up Deng and Deng playing his usual too many minutes, I don't see Johnson getting on the floor at all anytime soon.
Iggy handles the ball a lot, doesn't he? And he's not that great a shooter. Trading Deng for him doesn't add up. Not a huge difference between them, and Deng's style of play fits in pretty well with the rest of our team IMO. Is there any way we can get Iggy, Reddick, and Korver?
The Bulls have a big problem when the ball is not in Rose's hands. No playmakers on the team. I don't see Korver running the pick and roll with Boozer, nor do I see Reddick and Boozer doing it effectively. Deng is a poor ballhandler - I've seen him on a 2-on-2 fast break pick up the ball and look to pass to a guard, too many times. If Philly would do Deng for Iggy, we'd have that 2nd guy who could take the ball at the top of the key with 5 seconds left in a quarter. I think I'd rather see Korver as the starting SF with Iggy than Reddick as the starting SG with Deng. Make sense?
Iggy is about on par with another former Bull as far winding down the clock and taking a bad shot. The bulls don't need a second guy to create, what they need is a play to get a good shot, something they haven't had since skiles left.
He can handle the ball, and generates lots of assists, but he's actually a pretty low usage player when you look at the numbers. We're not out of cap space, but I think Reddick rules out a Taj for Iggy trade because we no longer have enough cap space.
The fact that Tech9 was the only that mentioned this trade tells me it was just mentioned in passing. The offer was made, but never seriously talked about. I am surprised the established media never mentioned it.
With trade exceptions I think the bulls can still do it. They have a TE for Salmons and Tyrus Thomas that total $3.3 mil, plus whatever Warrick signed for. Can you sum TE like that?
You might be able to, but you can't use them along with other players in a trade. They're something like an IOU. I think if the Bulls would end up over the cap after taking back Iggy, it has to be the 125% rule. The CBA FAQ isn't so clear but maybe the Bulls could do a $9M TPE and take back Iggy's $12M under that 125% rule.
I'd do Deng and Taj Gibson - no problems . I'd even give them our 2012 1st round pick ( unconditional ) as I think that is the year we are expecting the Bobcats pick we got for Tyrus Thomas to go unconditional Play Iggy as my 2 backed by Redick and Korver as my 3 backed by James Johnson ( who gives you another ball handling option behind Rose and Igoudala ) We'd still have room to sign Ronnie Brewer to add strength to wing defense with Igoudala If we whiff on JJ Redick I bolster with Pargo and Eddie House on a 1 year deal and save my cap space I would have spent on Redick and go hard for Shane Battier next year We bring in minimum guys like Brian Skinner ( for interior defense ) and Craig Smith ( reserve burly post player ) that won't eat our cap space moving forward I mean ...how many minutes is Taj going to play ? 15 mpg ? We'd be better off distributing those minutes across Skinner/Smith/Asik and still with the option of sliding Noah back to PF some or bringing James Johnson up to PF in spot minutes Noah Boozer Korver Igoudala Rose 6th : Battier bench Asik/Skinner Smith Johnson Brewer Pargo/House Good luck to any wing attack in the league ( yes including James and Wade ) getting through Igoudala, Battier and Brewer only to be greeted with the shotblocking talents of Noah and Asik ( reputationally ) + an interior defender type like Brian Skinner and for any opposing wing defense having to regard the shooting threats of Korver, Battier, Pargo ( if he can re-capture some form ) and House while Rose and Igoudala have the space to smash the rims
Short of keeping Deng, another option (probably OBE with the Korver and Red Dick signings) would have been to trade for Iggy and then try signing Childress, who's probably every bit the defender that Deng is. Same sort of idea as getting Battier and/or Brewer. But I completely agree with the concept. I keep seeing folks say Deng and Iggy are similar bu they're not. Deng is a 3/4 sort of player who defends most 3s well using his length, and scores well from shooting mid to long range jumpers. He's an excellent rebounder and a good team defender as well. Deng has little confidence in his shot from distance. He's not a good ball handler, and though he frequently calls for the ball, he blows by absolutely no one. He's a fair passer, but nothing special as one. He's an ok (for the NBA and his position) athlete. Iggy is a 2/3 sort of player who's a superb athlete and very strong for his position. He routinely defends the best perimeter player on other teams, while Deng does not. He's also a good rebounder. Offensively, he's got an excellent handle on the ball, which, combined with his athleticism, enables him to blow by defenders and dunk the ball at a relatively high rate. Deng can't touch that. When he doesn't do that, he can shoot. Though he's not a great shooter, he's good enough that he's willing to shoot from anywhere, those his usage rates and those of his teammates indicate that he's also a very good and willing passer to those who are open (While he shot the 3, he didn't go crazy with it, his high numbers reflect the fact he was on the floor a lot. His better shooting teammates shot them much more frequently). Yet, his teammates don't create many looks, so it can be inferred that, with better players, his own looks on jumpers will be a bit better. So in short, aside from not being great three point shooters, being good rebounders, and both being guys who are capable of playing the three, they're actually about as dissimilar as two guys like that can get.
