Hat Guy is working out Oden now???? WTF!!!!!

Payton = not a big
Kemp = fat
Baker = fat
Nate = not a big

not a ringing endorsement

 

LOL at hat guy.

Stay classy Portland.

 

I believe Hat guy working with Oden is clearly an indication that the Vulcans are unhappy about Oden's new haircut.

It's almost a blessing Oden was injured during picture-gate, just imagine the threads if it was common knowledge that Oden was working with the Trojan man.

 

Like I'm not gonna say this to be a flamer, but what do any of you see Oden amounting too? He already injury prone, commits 100 fouls a game, and you expect him to come back and soon be as good as Durant at least? Now I'm not saying any of you are saying that, but I would have lost all hope in Oden by now.

What a flop he's been, how can you say he's not? Any Dwight Howard trains with Ewing because he is actually a good player. I think someone here needs to explain to me the upside, if any to this guy. He's injured one of the most crucial parts of his body, numerous times. Plus his stats when healthy weren't that great.

Oden is a bust, sorry. I woulda said two years ago Bargnani was a bust, but at least he'll be putting up 20 PPG next year.

 

Correct.

Wrong, he averages 6 PF per 36 minutes, which would make him able to play an average MPG for a starter in the league.

Never on the offense, a lot better on the defense as he was last year before going down. During the 20 games he played last year he was, arguably, the best defensive player in the league.

OK. Thanks for the inside look into your mind.

 

The upside to Oden is that when he is healthy and on the court his production is fantastic, before his injury last season he was starting to put together a great year, top 5 in REB%/BLOCK%/FG% Defensive rating and shooting ~80% from the FT line. The only thing holding him back is his body, even the fouling issues got better the more he played and got into game shape.

 

The whole "not trying to be a flamer" doesn't go to well when you say things like:

Oden is a bust
He commits 100 fouls a game
He's been a flop, how can you say he's not
His stats when healthy weren't that great

Nice work on not having a clue what you are talking about, and trying to start a flame.

 

Great reply. I think people jump to conclusion way too often. I'd be much more worried about Oden's mental aspect and whether he's going to never mentally be up to playing 100%. Health-wise, he's had two injuries to each knee and they should be about 100% by now. Not much different than Amare and not the 80's here with guys like Walton or Bowie where you didn't have the testing to rule this stuff out like we have today. So he's just getting 100% back to his mental state of playing on a knee that has failed him. Once beyond that, he's no different than Amare.

The #3 PER in the league for centers tells you he's valuable when on the floor, and Durant's PER was #2 for SFs, so it means they are both a couple of the most important players in the entire league to have on the floor playing minutes to equate to wins. In Oden's case it is on defense and how much he impacts the scoring from the other team, and Durant it is obviously for him scoring points.

So good post. Yes, he should have a lot expected of him as he is finally there at 100% health and just needs to get through the mental part. Yes, the fouls are there, but will go down not only with experience but with better defense (especially since they had Rudy playing out of position at the 3 last year during Batum's injury when Oden was healthy - which made a huge difference to Oden needing to foul to cover Rudy's guy torching him play after play) and lastly Oden should get more minutes and you'll see a huge NBA learning curve as he gets a good chunk of 65-70+ games under his belt with more minutes played per game. Getting a solid voice like Steve Gordon to sit with him and pump him up mentally is exactly what Oden needs right now.

 

When post starts out with, "...I'm not gonna say this to be a flamer, but..." it's almost aways trying to stir shit up. But, can you blame the guy? He's a Raptors fan. He probably needs something to help him feel better.

Go Blazers

 

LOL at not having a clue

The clue I have is the guy you took is so far an NBA scrub who you hope pans out to be the guy Portland needs with BRoy; while the other guy is getting 28 PPG with a team that will most likely win a championship before the Blazers.

I obviously don't know every little fucking thing about Oden. Nor do I care too. What I do know is he hasn't shown up. When he does, than talk to me about how good his stats are.

 

I thought you were trying not to be a "flamer".

 

I merely stated that because I didn't want you guys to take what I'm saying to harshly.

Every thread is Blazers on this site when I click What's New? So why not voice my opinion. This is what I think, however I don't post here in this part of the site so I eased in slow.

Deal wit it

 

Like I'm not going to say this to be rude but you are a moron.

He has been hurt CONSTANTLY, but he isn't a worthless player like Bargninny (spelled as intended)

 

LOL, man you guys are funny. I'm a moron, whatever ahaha. It's all in forum talk man, I'm not out here calling guys out based on what they think. But hey, I've been called way worse.

And being hurt makes him worth more? The guy has brought nothing to the table yet, and I'm saying he never will. Obviously If I'm telling you your number 1 pick is a bust, you'll call me a moron.

However, I'm not the one watching the guy who went number two blast off with a team who will win an NBA championship(S), already dropping 27 per.

 

That's fair, but first, you admit you don't know a fucking think about Oden, and it's apparent if you're quoting a guy who puts 28PPG on the box score to a guy that doesn't show up and didn't realize one is the #2 in player efficiency rating for his position and the other is #3 in the same stat. So playing time for both really equate to success and success in the playoffs. Ironically OKC got as far as they got because they literally had no injuries, the Blazers were higher Vegas favorites from game 1 to game 82 to winning a championship compared to OKC because OKC isn't quite there yet and I highly doubt they will have another season as healthy as last year, thus they likely WON'T win a title before Portland. I'd actually put money on that because stats don't lie. And third, promise me you'll come back at the all-star break and re-visit a 100% Oden that is finally healthy (just like Jordan was after his major injury early in his career and just like Amare was early in his career). So come back and then you have all rights to talk about how his stats look after 50 games under his belt. OK? Deal.

 

Some Portland fans have.

He's actually been tremendous when healthy. His main non-health-related issue is fouls which have limited his minutes to some extent (and McMillan, IMO, has artificially limited his minutes further out of fear of foul outs). That's why his raw stats don't seem impressive. But whenever he's actually on the floor, he's been a major impact player in offense, defense and rebounding.

So, the two questions are "Can he stay healthy?" and "Can he cut down on fouls?" Important questions to be sure, and no guarantees on either, but a lot less worrying than "Does he have any talent?"

Skepticism is fine, but his ability hasn't indicated bust. Really, the only way he'll end up a bust is if he never does stay healthy. Which could happen...we'll see what happens. But you can overcome early injuries...you can't overcome lack of talent. Which is why I'm very comforted by his excellent play when healthy.

 

Agreed. But when if it comes around and he is done nothing...that's good enough for me.

I didn't say I know NOTHING, I don't know EVERYTHING

 

Oden, even with the injuries, dropped a 23-24 PER. With much more impactful defense than Durant plays (though Durant isn't a bad defensive player anymore).