We Have No Plan

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  1. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    You really think management should pass on the player they wanted in FA because they have too many other players at the same postion? And management is disfunctional? Was it not obvious for months that Rudy wanted out? Did you want Management to trade him before we had a replacement? Now that would have been stupid. In my mind going into FA they had one true SG. BROY. That is it. Bayless is a tweener and Williams has never played a minute. The plan was to get the best possible back up for Roy through free agency. That plan worked out pretty well.

    Next up as you all say is the PG. But don't you think the plan all along was to at least try for Cp3 this summer? Their plan seems solid to me. Certainly not irresponsible.
     
  2. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    The team president was asked after we signed Matthews to an offer sheet what were the plans to move some of the other SG's and he stated we had none and that our top priority was looking for a GM. Now, some people (like Nikolokous) may argue that that statement denotes a detailed plan, but I disagree. It tells me exactly what it is- "we're over paying for a project player, hope to hire a GM and beyond that have no idea what we will do. We'll decide when we have a GM". I guess we have to agree to disagree on the meaning of what Miller said.
     
  3. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    I see your point. And if Matthews was more of an established player, then I might even agree. But he's not. And he's a reserve player. And we gave him more than most starters get in the NBA. And there was no guarantee he'd even be the #2 SG on the team as it's a competitive position. And we had no plans beyond that.

    I mean, and I'll say it again for those 'hard of reading and an ability to understand what they read', I felt we'd most likely hire a GM quickly and then clean up the mess. But that was no guarantee it would happen. We had no plan.
     
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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    You're right. My apologies.
     
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    Our plan looks pretty good to me. Even if they didn't intend it, we are in a pretty good spot right now. Complaining about what you perceive to be a lack of a plan seems kind of pointless to me.
     
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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Well, things are looking up right now, but they we're looking pretty down earlier. I think Vulcan is a group of hopeless vindictive boobs. Last weekend I spoke with an attorney who used to do some work for them and he describes them as nothing more than a vindictive battering ram with enough in-fighting to make the Afgahn war look like a love-in.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    The pendulum swings both ways, bud. As it concerns the Blazers, prior to Vulcan's hands-on involvement, Paul Allen was a carefree, reckless spendthrift. You remember......."The economic model is broken."

    That said, I'd rather have the current situation as opposed to Paul ultimately being left with looking for other another buyer............who then may (or may not) want to move our team such as what happened to our friends up North.
     
  8. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    I long for the day Al Davis, II sells the team.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Be careful what you ask for. If Paul hadn't cared about this team, this city, there would be no Rose Garden....and perhaps no Portland Trail Blazers at this point.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    If you like the idea of having a small market team with a poor owner so much, why not just root for the Hornets?

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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    I think Al Davis II has given the reins of the team fully over to Vulcan and they are doing their usual incompetent job.
     
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    Think of how many jobs would be lost if PA moved the team to Seattle. I think he knows that having multiple sellouts for the past 3 seasons, that hes making the $$.
     
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    They weren't looking down from my perspective. Maybe you've got some block that makes it hard for you to see the positive position that this team was/is in?

    Ed O.
     
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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    And while your post is pure speculation, it's always a valid thought that when a sports team leaves, so do the jobs associated with it.
     
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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    HA! Maybe.

    But KP had a definitive plan for the team. And I think it was a good plan. He was fired for having the wrong agent and the team became, temporarily, plannless. So they overpaid for a promising reserve player and hoped to hire a GM and one that could develop a new plan. And they have and things are back on track. Good for us.
     
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    When people can admit (even a "maybe") that sort of thing, they get respect from me!

    What do you think KP's plan was? I always thought his plan was to consolidate, but he never did it. I thought his plan was to get a veteran borderline star (or better) for RLEC. I thought his plan was to make a splash in free agency last year, but he didn't do it.

    And what do you see as a plan from Cho? Not that he doesn't have one, but what has changed since you started this thread to change your mind about him?

    I'm sorry if you feel you have to repeat yourself. I just want these gaps filled in so I can understand your perspective...

    Ed O.
     
  17. BLAZER PROPHET

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    As I understand it from interviews... KP wanted to find a long term solution at PG and mostly for expiring contracts. He also wanted to try and get another PF with the loss of Howard. Both, IMHO, addressed out two main concerns and I was whole heartedly behind those thoughts.

    As to Cho's "plan", top of the list is to move Rudy as he has requested a trade. He also states we're a couple of players away from true title contention. While he hasn't given more specifics at this time, it tells me he wants to move forward with some trades that he and the team management feel will better round out the team. I also have to think it involves a PG as we have talked to the Hornets about Paul. So he seems on the right track.
     
  18. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    How so? The hire of a well regarded number 2 in Cho (whom many predicted was inline for his own GM gig sooner rather than later)? Was it Chad Buchanan and Mike Born being given the latitude to target a free agent and go after him (and get him)? Was it going hard after Chris Paul and reportedly offering the Hornets the most attractive package of any team trying to get him?

    I get it that people are still pretty raw about KP being let go and the way it went down -- hell, I was pretty dubious about them having a plan to replace him -- but with the team finally looking to get something out of Rudy before he's completely devalued (Thanks KP) and Cho being pretty frank about the team needing another piece or two to make them a true contender, that sounds like a organization/owner that isn't satisfied with the status quo and wants to get better.

    Look at it this way, if the bean counters were really in charge would the team have gone after Wesley Matthews and offered him as much money as they did? I think they overpaid, but I'm OK with that because it's not my money and it tells me that Allen is still willing to spend when he feels he is close to competing for a ring ... it also tells me that he still listens to his people on the basketball ops side of things.
     
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    Well, that's a good post and I agree that the hiring of Cho was a good move.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    So KP's "plan" was to rob another team of a star or starting point guard using nothing but expirings? That sounds more like wishcasting than planning to me. As for Power forward, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Camby a pf-c? Between Aldridge, Oden and Camby just how many reserve minutes are going to be left over for a power forward, and isn't Dante at least competent in that backup role?
     

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