GREG ODEN: “IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT I’M A BUST?”

lopez too. jokim noah is a better center then odem thats just kill yourself depressing. a pf who is a better center then a 7 footer who was a cant miss.


god what a disaster

 

I'll agree his career, thus far, has been disappointing to me. I'll continue to disagree that a bust isn't a permanent label. If it isn't a permanent label, then Shaq could be considered a "bust", since his production is low, and some people want to apply that label based on the most recent, small sample size production. It would be pretty silly to label Shaq as a "bust".

Until it is clear that Oden's overall performance and production isn't going to significantly change for the rest of his career, he isn't a bust.

 

Lopez wasnt in the 2007 draft....but after looking at it again Glen Davis at pick 35

2 Durant
3 Horford
9 Noah
31 Landry
35 Davis
48 Gasol
1 Oden

 

thanks for making me puke.

god oden is pathectic

 

I can't argue with that.

 

Well if you were assuming Oden is a god, then it is obvious why you have been dissapointed.

 

Oh brother...

anyhow, since we're making things up now, I think that Oden's injuries, to some, make him a "bust" because of his body of work in the NBA thus far.

 

Exactly.

 

+1
wow blazerboy...is your real name STRETCH Armstrong?

 

Is "bust" a permanent label or not?

 

"Bust" is based on complete body of work. If you're seriously trying to make the case that an old Shaq is a "bust", or that old Jordan was a "bust", well, good luck with that one. Most people, I imagine, see those two as great players who finally got too old to be dominant.

Oden has never been close to Shaq's peak in his NBA career. Hell, maybe you're starting to convince me that Oden is a bust!

 

Being BUSTED is far different than being A BUST. Being BUSTED means you've been injured. Being A BUST means that you perform poorly on the court.

Playing one-years-worth of games over three years definitely qualifies as being BUSTED.

But Oden has not been A BUST while he has been on the court. Far from it. He has played very much like you'd expect a once-in-a-generation center to play (apart from his foul rate). Advanced statistics indicate that when he has been on the court, he has been one of the two best players to enter the league this decade, that he compares favorably to the greatest centers of the last thirty years, and that he compares favorably to the greatest rebounders of all time. This indicates that if he can be relatively injury-free, and get his fouling under control, he just might be that once in a generation center he was hyped to be.

The following summarizes Oden’s performance on the court to date:

* Greg Oden is one of the two best players to come into the NBA in the last ten years according to comprehensive advanced statistics. (Hint: the other is LeBron).
* Greg Oden’s second year advanced stats compare favorably with those of the all-time great centers of the last thirty years: Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem (and Dwight Howard).
* Greg Oden's rookie year rebounding compares well with the rookie years of some of the greatest rebounders of all time.
* Greg Oden’s 2009-2010 advanced statistics compare well with those of three-time NBA all-star, two-time NBA defensive player of the year, three-time all-NBA team member Dwight Howard.
* Greg Oden was ranked higher in more advanced statistical categories last year than NBA scoring leader Kevin Durant, the 1st team all-NBA team player the Trail Blazers could have taken instead.

See http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/9/12/1684146/greg-odens-on-court-performance

 

It is till he wins 15 championships, she probably yes

 

So what does it make him?

Playing foolish semantic games really proves you are smarter than Mixum. Congrats.

 

The definition of "bust" used in the context we're discussing is a "failure or flop". While it may be correct to say that Greg's first three seasons have been a bust, at least relative to what we had all expected when he was drafted No. 1, it is amazingly stupid and shortsighted to insist that Greg as a player or that his entire career is going to be in the bust category. It could work out that way if the injury problems continue, but he's shown way too much talent and has had too great of an impact upon his team's success when he has been healthy for that to be a reasoned position. Of course, some folks around here don't appear to rely much on reason in offering up their opinions.

 

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I like advanced stats as much as anyone, but when you are only playing in 33% of your games, and you can't stay on the court when healthy because of fouls, well, I think that must be taken into consideration.

Plus, Oden was clowned by Yao in his only healthy playoff appearance. Which brings up another point. Are you telling me that Greg Oden is a better player than Dwight Howard and Yao Ming because of his "comprehensive" advanced stats?

It homeristic and unrealistic posts like yours that help make any Oden debate so divisive.

 

Nice. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way back out of the forum.

 

* Greg Oden is one of the two best players to come into the NBA in the last ten years according to comprehensive advanced statistics. (Hint: the other is LeBron).

im waiting for the punch line ....