So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

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  1. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You shouldn't. Because unless you want to admit that Christian values are bigoted, I'd think you'd want to admit they're professing a slight bias.
     
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    Hard to say. :lol:
     
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    Besides, what does gay or lesbianism have to do with anything at the school level? Sensitivity is sensitivity. Her students could be sleeping with farm animals for that matter.....and shouldn't make a bit of difference as to how she helps them cope with school-related issues.

    I mean, if Bobby came into her office and told her he couldn't stop fantasizing about Johnny, how might she counsel him any differently than had he come into her office and told her he couldn't quit fantasizing abut Sally? I really don't get where the gender preference plays into the matter....from a school counseling perspective/context.

    But, then again, I'm just one of them old-school conservatives. :)
     
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    your link (in post 24) really doesn't shed any light on the subject matter.

    I don't know if you intentionally did it, because blazerprophet put you up to it to get the response he wanted, but why did you feel the need to talk about sleeping with farm animals?

    if she's professing anti-gay sentiment, how can't you see how that would be a conflict of interests? It'd be no different then a teacher in training, professing that he or she shouldn't have to teach gays, or deal with handicapped people.

    She, and her lawsuit (and people who are supporting her) are just using religion as an excuse to play the victim card, instead of realizing she's a bigoted tool.

    I really wish christian people (almost always white conservative christians too) would stop using their religion as the reason why people dislike their bigoted, ignorant, xenophobic, homophobic and racist views.

    I'm not saying you are expressing those views, but you seem to keep wanting to paint her as a victim of religious persecution, when she's a victim of her own stupidity and intolerance.
     
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    To my knowledge, she never once said she's intolerant of anything. IMO, If anyone is being intolerant, it's ASU.

    Sexual preference, sleeping with aliens, or the like, really have no business even being discussed in our school counseling programs. I mean, do they??
     
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    ...she looks like a snotty attention craving prissy girl looking to become a "reality star" from this whole ordeal [I would also bet that she has participated in at least one beauty pageant within the last 5 years]! She also seems very sheltered and naive. Sad story.

    [video=youtube;VdXrLwkwnpc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdXrLwkwnpc[/video]
     
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    Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But why this:

    Re-Educating Away the Christian Faith

    The plan mandated for Keeton requires her to take steps to change her beliefs through additional assignments and additional “diversity sensitivity training."

    I never thought the day would come in this country where Christians were forced to go to places to "change their beliefs". We are now becoming no better than Nazi Germany or Stalin Russia.

    Wow. 100% religious intolerance to the point of forcing people to change their faith. Never, never, never thought we'd see this.
     
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    BP, what you're quoting there is the statement from the Christian website. I personally doubt its veracity.
     
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    So you and ABM would be doing this faux outrage if this was about a Muslim man who was asked to change his beliefs about, say...womens roles in their culture?

    Are they telling her not to be a christian? Nope. Have they excluded people who are christian? Nope.

    Are they asking her to not be a bigot? Yep.

    As I said earlier, I guess you and ABM are by default admitting that christian beliefs are bigoted. Bravo. You're (blindly) defending a bigot because they just happen to claim it was because of her religion (which is just masking her bigotry).
     
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    OK, you may very well be right. I think I'm jumping the gun a bit.
     
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    If christians truly believe that homosexuality is merely a lifestyle choice borne from sexual confusion then I'm afraid I have to disagree with them. I admit that I used to have a similar viewpoint, but over time my perception has changed.
     
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    It appears that the distinct point of their disagreements is, the school contends that GLBT is a state of being, as opposed to Keeton's views that it's a state of choice.

    Interesting.

    Well, that argument will never be settled here. :)
     
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    I believe in God and I don't think that God "created" homosexuals. That would be a cruel form of favoritism to me. Meaning, why would He create some for pro-creation, and others not?
     
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    So asking her to take classes to expose herself to more information is a bad thing? Um...that's what going to college does? It opens people who might base a lot (too much, imho) of their beliefs in religion, to something that actually can be tested and be seen having evidence of being true.
     
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    But what about the opposite? What about a person in that program that feels that people are born to be queer? And that they see it as a duty to tell children (like the mayor of Portland- OK, OK, just had to) they counsel to become gay? Are they to undergo treatment to change their beliefs? Why is it we have it one way and not the other? That, to me, is the very essence of bigotry.
     
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    1. Gays can pro-create you know.
    2. If you say that they can't procreate due to their sexual preference, I guess that means you've never had a blow job, or known any woman or man who has had it up the pooper.
    3. You want to talk about a form of cruel "favortism"? Take a look at some severely physical or mental handicapped people. You're telling me that's "God's" plan? why would "he" create someone with no physical limitations, and then out of the same family gene pool, create someone who was born with MD or MS?

    Why is "he" playing favorites there? that must've been a choice those people made.
     
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