So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

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  1. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Gays chose not to. they have the ability to.
     
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    If there is no god, there would be no Catholic priests, so her existence, by definition, created them priests.

    It's a conundrum, and a logic puzzler, that is.

    -- My point is, if you want to tell me that you believe in God and do not believe in homo-sexuality, fine, but trying to use "logic" (would not create some like that and other not) fails, when the entire basis of argument is not logical...
     
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    Exactly.

    Thank you.
     
  4. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    "you probably won't get this", but it basically means you pick and chose out of the bible, what backs or is beneficial to your own personal view of the world.
     
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    You missed his point. He tells you that Gays can pro-create, but choose not to, just like Catholic priests...
     
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    Huh? Where'd you get that?
     
  7. julius

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    I don't think that proves the point you think it does. Priests chose not to have sex, but that doesn't mean they chose not to be hetrosexual (or have a sexual attraction to women).

    The two aren't mutually exclusive. I used this analogy before, when I was in high school, I can say that I chose not to have sexual relations with women, but it didn't mean I didn't want to. I also chose not to have sexual relations with a few of my gay friends, even though I could've, and was physically capable of doing so (not that I was interested, as I wasn't).

    My choosing to have or not have sexual relations did not play a role on whether or not I was hardwired one way or the other.

    I could have sex with a man, I chose not to. I chose not to because I am not attracted to men, but I could.
     
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    I'm simply relating from my post #36.

     
  9. julius

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    there are several cases where what you're saying has instances where it doesn't jive with something else that is in the bible (because the bible itself is a compass, not the end all be all..meaning, it's open to interpretation, because itself was an interpretation).

    *wow...how did I spell interpretation correct the first time, but it changed into interpenetration the next?*

    Don't pick and chose one, or make a blanket statement.

    Don't assume that someone who doesn't agree with your views is a bigot. If someone was saying "christians are lesser people" or "god hates christians", you'd (well, blazerprophet) would have a better leg to stand on.
     
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    Be as it may, julius's answer that he repied to was not in this context, but in the context of your choice vs. ability comment referring to pro-creation...
     
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    The act of having sex is not the same as sexual preference. You said that it was about being able to procreate. Gays can procreate.
     
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    this is actually fun.
     
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    As far as I know, I've done none of that. I've simply attempted to share a few of the biblical examples/precepts which have lead to the forming of my world-view.
     
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    Not on their own they can't.

     
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    No one can procreate "on their own".

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    man/woman married couples can procreate on their own, though. I think you got the point. :)
     
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    So is sex only for procreation now? And if it is, are the only times you've had relations with a woman, was she A: your wife and B: you were trying to conceive?

    what do you say about couples who can't conceive due to infertility?

    Seems too much emphasis is being put on sex, considering long term it's not as huge of an issue as this thread seems to imply it is.

    Let me ask you this. If you were given the opportunity to be with your (ex?) wife for all of your days, but you never could have sex with her, wouldn't you jump at the chance?

    Seems that it shouldn't be about the sex then, because if you were with someone you love, but never could have sex, you'd realize it's not about the sex. It's about love, companionship and compassion. Sex is just gravy.
     
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    man/woman unmarried couples can too. as can a gay man and a woman. Or a straight man and a lesbian. Or a gay guy and a lesbian. Or a woman and a turkey baster.

    barfo
     
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    Yep, and it's their "choice". That's what Keeton has asserted, as well.
     
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    Heck, a gay man and gay woman could procreate if they so chose.
     

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