Merged: WTF?! Stern trying to remove emotion from games

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  1. espn_hall_of_famer

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    That was precisely the point I was making. So you re-stated it very well.

    While I was exaggerating the "black and white" aspect to a point, I was trying to explain that the nice aspect of this rule is it is given some very clear examples of times when it has to be followed by referees. Fouls, travelling and such have some clear aspects to them, but are very loosely regarded because they also have some wiggle-room.

    In football, there is a very large difference between refs having some discretion to calling holding calls and their discretion calling an end-zone celebration or playings stepping out of bounds. Similarly, fouls have a lot of discretionary judgement calls that really allow refs to "play favorites".

    These new rules use very specific examples of when a ref will have no choice but to blow the whistle (complaining about a foul or non-call by walking towards a ref and disputing the call). There's no "I'm going to let it go this time cause it's Kobe" that a ref can get away with there. You can't punch your fist into the air in an aggressive manner complaining about a foul or non-foul call. So you can't watch Kobe get called for a foul and have him turn and punch the air and have a ref swallow his whistle. The league would fall apart if it allowed refs to get away with making favorable calls on black-and-white rules like this.
     
    espn_hall_of_famer, Sep 26, 2010
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    Well, but of course the ref just didn't see Kobe punch his fist in the air...
     
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    Isn't this, basically, the rule in college and high school?

    I know that the stakes are higher and the players are adults, but that seems like even more reason to expect a higher degree of self-control.

    As the rule is written, I have no problem with the change. As long as it is reasonably consistently enforced, I think it will be good for the NBA.

    Ed O.
     
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    Usually Stern's playground, NBA.com, spins everything in his favor. But even they sound like they're against Stern on this.

    http://www.nba.com/2010/news/09/24/officials.crackdown.ap/index.html

    And even lapdog David Aldridge is against it.

    http://www.nba.com/2010/news/featur...tip-antione-walker/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1
     
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  6. illmatic99

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    And two weeks into preseason, the changes haven't been going well.

    Take a look at these:


    [video=youtube;lmsdOB6J3tA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmsdOB6J3tA&translated=1[/video]

    [video=youtube;1QHdiup2Z_U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QHdiup2Z_U[/video]

    [video=youtube;3COKTtJvq9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3COKTtJvq9c[/video]
     
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    The first one was stupid. The second one was at least within the new rule, although stupid. The third one.....I am still trying to figure out what he did?
     
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  8. illmatic99

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    My fears of Stern trying to remove emotion entirely from these games have been realized. I expect this bullshit to last until December, max.
     
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    So long as Stern doesn't fuck with the basketballs again for the sake of yielding to PETA, I can live with this minor intrusion into the game.
     
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    The third one you can hear someone (presumably Jermaine) say, "What the fuck (something something)?"

    Players need to stop yelling at the refs if they want to avoid technical fouls.

    Ed O.
     
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    He Raised an Eyebrow at the Ref! What a Fing Joke.
     
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    Pretty soon their gonna get T's for yelling when grabbing a rebound.

    :smiley-nope:
     
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    I had the sound down. That would make sense then
     
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    I don't see that listed as a technical in the rule. If the players just stop verbally abusing the refs, then they won't get technical fouls. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
     
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    Okay mr. smarty pants I was being sarcastic... I'd hardly call getting charged hard to the ground and then saying WTF while your on your back "abusing the ref." The only abusing going on here is Stern's power
     
    HailBlazers, Oct 18, 2010
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