So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

Agreed, but think a Christian school is going to require counselors to take the "homosexuality is a sin" stand.

 

What an absurd example. And keep fruits out of this!

 

So then, why could she not get her degree from ASU and then get a job as Christian school counselor? For that matter, why couldn't she get a job at a public school and keep her personal views to herself? I mean, what about judges, don't they have personal beliefs which may or may not align with the cases they're deciding on?

Makes absolutely NO sense to me that ASU has already determined what type of "professional" she will become and stand in the way of that from the get-go. Flat-out discrimination.

 

But barfo likes talking about lefties.

 

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SO STATES THE LIBERALS.

 

From the briefing submitted on behalf of Miss Keeton by the ADF. If you can't accept a non-disordered part of your client's life, you're not eligible to counsel them. If the faculty of ASU can indicate that Miss Keeton would seek to change a homosexual client's orientation (as implied above and with reported discussions advocating for conversion therapy referenced earlier in the briefing), they'll win as that behavior is not in line with the ACA Code of Ethics. Miss Keeton's case appears to hinge upon the idea that the ACA code does not apply to non-members and that the ASU student handbook and program expectations never explicitly refer to the ACA Code as a guide. However, the handbook, as quoted in the briefing, does have a statement about students needing to adhere to ethics as determined by the faculty.

Additionally, if the intro course she took is anything worth taking, the ACA Code has been covered and defined as the guiding document for all ethical concerns. Given that she's in a CACREP Certified Program (the highest accreditation available for counselor education programs), it was covered and set as the guiding document for ethical counseling.

 

OK, you're the resident "pro" here.

Why, then, does this listing of therapists indicate if they have gay/lesbian expertise, or not?

http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/state/OR/Portland.html

 

Because the degree seems to be linked with a certain accreditation from the ACA, and she isn't meeting the necessary standards that the ACA requires.

She could try her hand at getting a job with a private school without that accreditation, if there are schools that agree with her that she shouldn't have to meet the ACA standards.

 

No, just according to certain select bunch within the school, it seems(?).

 

And therein lies the problem that we have been discussing and is being continually swept under the carpet. Can the faculty single out members of a religious group and force them to either undergo "reprogramming" specifically to force them to renounce their faith or expel them? Does this person's civil rights extend that far?

 

There are a number of dissenting viewpoints in here. I'd be very curious to see just one "real school" example in that Ms. Keeton's personal viewpoints might prevent her from providing adequate counseling to any given student.

In a previous post, I had alluded to ASA's guidelines whereas, essentially, counselors are not in position to "condone" any certain behaviors......including homosexuality.

 

So do member of the Klu Klux Klan. But nobody second guesses that, do they?

 

Same reason why I'd go here if I broke my foot in Portland and not here. You do a lot of work in a certain area and you develop a specialty to it. There are specific programs for marriage counseling, working with athletes, working with particular disorders, etc. People in the LGBT community have specific issues relating to their orientation that changes their needs in a counseling relationship and some people just develop skills through experiences and trainings in working with those issues. It doesn't mean that the other counselors who don't get listed under that search heading are incapable of working with members of the LGBT community or that they're allowed to paint their orientation/gender identity as disordered.

You're implying that Ms. Keeton is the only Christian who has made an attempt to graduate from this program ever. As I said in my first post in this thread, there are a number of students that I went through my program with who probably have similar objections to homosexuality, but would never allow it to impact their work or their clients. We even had a professor who made it very clear that she was a strong Christian in class and she denounced homophobia and taught us about working with the LGBT population. Its not Christianity that's under fire here. Its homophobia.

ACA, as far as I know, does not accredit programs. They are the relevant professional organization for counselors and counseling students and provide the definitive Code of Ethics for the field. CACREP (Council for Accreditation of Counseling Related Educational Programs) is the definitive accrediting body for the field and references education and adherence to the ACA Code in their most recent standards for Counseling programs.

 

This is like a member of The Flat World Society wanting to be accredited as a science teacher.

Or a KKK member wanting to run the Peace Corps or an INS office.

Or Kim Jong ll wanting to lead the UN.

Or Chris Dudley running for Governor of the state he cheated out of taxes.

Or Kobe Bryant wanting to run a rape-crisis hotline.

She's simply not mentally or emotionally equipped for the task.

She should really be setting her sights much, much lower.

She could maybe be a preacher or tow truck driver.

 

If they don't, they should.