Ms. Keeton, The KKK, And All That Jazz............

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  1. ABM

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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...claims-school-bias-on-christian-views/?page=2

     
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    She's not drinking on the job. She's just flying the 747 as long as there's no homosexuals aboard...

    I'm all in favor of there being counselors for gay people, or who can treat "anyone."
     
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    No airline would hire such a pilot, so what's the point?

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    I'm aware of the fact that she denies it, it's a he said / she said situation with that witness. But the faculty obviously took that and her other actions/beliefs into account when they said she was prejudiced GLBTQ issues.
     
  5. ABM

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    None....with a pilot analogy.
     
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    and...hence, the pending lawsuit.
     
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    Well, we've thrown out a ton of different analogies, you've ignored or rejected all of them.
    In your opinion, is this a completely unique situation?

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    The med student analogies are the only ones that are really in range. There's a good one in that profession, I'm just not going to take the time to really figure it out. The rest have been off to varying degrees.
     
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    I'm simply saying that I'm giving Keeton the benefit of the doubt in that she's saying she will counsel with a degree of compassion and professionalism, despite her personal feelings on this particular matter. I'm also saying that the gay/lesbian issue(s) would probably occupy less than 2% of her counseling matters. And, in these cases, I'm guessing she could/should simply defer the matter to appropriate peers or higher-ups. Is an issue of such little occurrence enough to keep the woman from pursuing a (potentially very successful) career in this field? It would be my hope that it's not.
     
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    Analogies aside, I disagree, I think all school counselors should have the education and mindset necessary to at least make an effort with anyone who comes to them for help. Having a specialty is good outside of the school and can lead to better counseling for that issue, and having a knack for dealing with the issues of adolescents in general is good for a school counselor, but not being willing to work with or not meeting the educational requirements to work with an entire set of people shouldn't be an option in my eyes. I don't believe school counselors should pick and choose the people in need of help they're willing to work with.
     
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    I think the rest of us have moved beyond doubt and are going with the side of the faculty who are saying she's not capable of handling a career in this field. We're also talking about one of the biggest sources of bullying that's going on these days. And estimates put the LGBT population at between 5 and 10% and students who lack support at home and who are bullied in school are more likely to seek or be sent to counseling. This will be considerably more than 2% of her counseling matters.

    Also, while your hopes are all well and good, budget cuts are running rampant and in most cases there won't be a counselor to refer a student out to without having to pay fees for a private practice. They'll cut teachers, but when they run out of non-tenured/non-unionized employees, the counselors are next to get the axe. Additionally, depending on where she ends up working, there may not be a wealth of other counselors available to make up for her deficiency.
     
  12. ABM

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    This is in Georgia, correct? While attending Augusta High School, Johnny and his sister, Julie, have been engaged in a torrid love affair for nearly a year now. They know they're in love and can only wish they could get married. Nonetheless, they're experiencing a tremendous amount of persecution from other students. With no other place to go, they schedule an appointment with Ms. Keeton. We can all only hope that she's been adequately trained to deal with these two poor souls.
     
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    Or to put it a different way, you believe that her classmates and teachers are lying when they said that she said she would not?

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    My guess is that Ms. Keeton can draw upon her own family history for guidance in such cases.

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    I'd rather any one of her classmates meet with Johnny and Julie and the next meeting with Tommy and Billy, the unrelated sophomores who are in the same situation.
     
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    What, you have personal experience with said history? Well, at least that explains your sense of humor.
     
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    Three-ways are an entirely different matter, altogether.
     
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    I rarely find prejudice and any unwavering inability to accept others to be compassionate, ugly sounds more like it. And is it fair to the potential counsels of hers to be made to wait for a separate but equal counselor for their needs? That's a potentially harmful message to put across to a vulnerable youth, that someone they looked up to and looked to for help thinks there's something fundamentally wrong with them. I wouldn't want anyone capable of that, no matter how small the chance, to counsel kids.
     
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    So, what do the acceptable counselors say? "Hey, I understand. It's good to be gay. Now, go do your classwork."

    Obviously, a facetious remark on my part. However, I'd just really love to see some type of precedent out there whereas a school counselor couldn't counsel due to personal views such as these. Or, are there none in existence?
     
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    Comparing homosexuality with incest speaks volumes about yourself. And I would be surprised if there was no material whatsoever regarding courses of action / counseling techniques to deal with incest in the entire curriculum of a counseling education program.
     

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