Union Voting Machines May Be Committing Fraud

Voting fraud sure isn't a left monopoly.

 

I have kind of an out-there hypothesis. I'm still refining it, but it seems as if there is a subset of people (I won't label them "D's" or "Liberals" or anything) who want to change society into their socially "progressive" utopia. Couple this with an almost universal bent towards Machiavellian consequentialism, adapted to what they individually feel would be "best for the most". However, since the progressive utopia they espouse isn't founded for an altruistic good, and oftentimes for a "Fringe" cause that most in society don't agree with (because as the "most" they don't feel it's the best), they fall back on "ends justify the means" to get their utopian agenda through.

Much of society, however, falls (for whatever reason, whether it's a militaristic historical background or religious values or whatever) into a disciplined deontological philosophy of "don't do bad things just because there might be consequences you don't like--don't do bad things because they're bad." We've had the discussion here on the boards about this. Because these people feel that there is a duty to do the right thing, no matter what the consequences, you get a situation much like that in Spaceballs. Dark Helmet makes a truce with LoneStar, reneges, and then tells him "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb".

 

I have a not-so-out there hypothesis: losers whine that the game was rigged.

Since the R's were losers last time out, they are making accusations of voter fraud.
Since the D's will be losers this time, expect a bunch of accusations of voter fraud from the D side over the next couple of years.

Most of these cases of "voter fraud" don't amount to much - either unsupported allegations (such as the fox news report) or minor, localized problems (like paying voter registration workers improperly). And I doubt the ones the Democrats will allege will amount to much either.

It's really just a tool to rally the base, and judging from the responses here, it works just fine.

barfo

 

And that was only 50 years ago!

No, of course not. And any actual violations should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

It is whining to allege voter fraud where you have no credible evidence, and to imply that the problem is far more widespread than it actually is.

Like I said, it happens after losing.

barfo

 

Relevance to today. It's like claiming that Christians are bloodthirsty and using the crusades as the evidence.

I could go along with that.

I frankly didn't read them all, but the two I did read didn't seem very credible. Some voters told the press about problems, but they hadn't reported it to election officials at the time. And the other one I read was something about paying someone per signature for voter registrations. That might be against the rules, but it isn't necessarily evidence of fraud.

barfo

 

That looks like more he-said, she-said stuff. Get back to me when you have actual evidence of fraud, rather than "allegations".

barfo

 

Man, that's weak sauce. So one guy claims, without any other evidence, that voting machines were taken to the NJEA. The story doesn't even make sense - why bring them to someplace like NJEA if, as was alleged, the machines had already been "fixed" somewhere else? Why take them to there, and then take them away, without anyone touching them? Doesn't make any sense. And how does he know that "those two machines carried the district", if nobody (including, presumably, him) touched them while they were there? It would seem he would have no knowledge, other than what was supposedly conveyed by the wink of the delivery guy, about what was on them.

It's bullshit, pure and simple. I saw a republican staffer drop off 12,000 forged ballots at the Hoyt Street Post Office last night. You believe me, right? Because my story is backed up by every bit as much evidence as his.

barfo

 

Do you think it was some conspiracy theory that a Democratic operative was caught with a voting machine and a stack of blank ballots in the trunk of his car during the 2000 recount?

 

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If there is evidence that that happened (I don't remember the incident but I'm sure you'll provide a link), then I believe it.
I do believe that voter fraud occasionally happens. That doesn't make every allegation true, especially when people have a political motivation to make false allegations.
I'll accept anything that's actually documented, where there is actual evidence. I won't accept bullshit stories of "somebody says". People say all sorts of shit that isn't true, and people who believe it because it fits their prejudices are even more numerous.

barfo