Union Voting Machines May Be Committing Fraud

[video=youtube;gkUKOSnv2zY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkUKOSnv2zY[/video]

 

So... that election was a couple of years ago now. How many have been convicted of vote fraud?

I'm sure, based on that video, that someone did a lot of voter registration fraud there. However, that's not the same as voter fraud. We'd have to know why they turned in the fake registrations - were they planning to vote all those names (and if so, how?) or were they simply being paid by the registration card and wanted to make more money? My bet is on the latter, but since it has been two years, I'm sure you have the current status of the judicial proceedings, right?

barfo

 

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/top/2000/12/17-30

Since 1998, three different Hollywood personalities have suggested during talk show appearances that Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., actor Charlton Heston and independent counsel Ken Starr should be shot! Recently, Bill Maher "joked" that Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris should be murdered.

Additionally, a Democratic operative from New York City was filmed in Milwaukee trying to buy the votes of homeless people with cartons of cigarettes. In Florida, another Democratic operative was caught with a punch-card voting machine in the trunk of his car

 

Those dead people would have voted if their voter registration forms weren't found out to be fraudulent.

 

You deserve a better link. ABC News OK?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94998&page=2

Several days after presidential votes were tallied in what has become the hotbed of Florida’s post-election confusion, police in Palm Beach County confiscated a ballot-box mechanism from the car of a well-known local Democrat. The mechanism, called a “Votamatic,” did not contain any ballots. It’s a device used on some types of ballot boxes to punch votes through ballot cards, which are then tallied by computers. According to a police report filed at the Palm Beach County sheriff’s office and obtained by ABCNEWS, Irving Slosberg, 53, pulled the mechanism from his car and handed it over to police on Nov. 11 after denying to a county government employee that he had it.

 

Ok, I believe that guy stole a voting machine. Did he actually succeed in doing anything nefarious with it? When did he steal it? Before the election or after?

barfo

 

Link?

barfo

 

This is exciting stuff. Hard to believe Bill Maher, of all people, would say something like that! This is shocking, simply shocking. Next thing you know, kids will be stealing candy from Circle-K. Film at 11.

barfo

 

Of course there were no ballots in it 4 days after the recount. They were all punched before the recount, using the machine.

In fact, if you took something like this:


and poked it through a stack of ballots where the Al Gore chad would be, it'd make:
1) All the actual votes for Gore still for Gore
2) All the votes for Bush invalid because both candidates were "voted" for
3) All the ballots with nobody selected for president become for Gore

 

See the ABC News link. It's the same guy.

 

Link? You know, it doesn't become true just because you want it to be.

barfo

 

It's fraud just for the fact he had the machine. It put every single ballot in the surrounding districts in question.

 

No, I think you need to go look up "fraud" in the dictionary.

And, according to you guys, by extension it puts every ballot across the country in question. One possibly bad apple really does spoil the whole bunch, according to this thread.

Face it, the examples you are trotting out here in support of "widespread voter fraud" are lame in the extreme. You are failing to make the case.

barfo

 

Maybe you need to look up widespread in the dictionary.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

looks widespread to me.

 

And election fraud is defined:

election fraud - misrepresentation or alteration of the true results of an election

 

And stuff like having a voting machine in your trunk or turning in false voter registrations don't actually affect elections. Show me the evidence of actual voter fraud, where there is ACTUAL, not wished-for, evidence of election results ACTUALLY being changed fraudulently.

Then show me that such fraud is widespread.

Bet ya can't.

barfo

 

Where does "widespread" fit in to anything? It's just a silly demand on your part, and a strawman.

As the 2000 recount proved, the rigging of ballots only needed to be a few hundred, and in one district would suffice.

 

Hardly. Earlier in this thread, maxiep was claiming there was a "pattern" and that these are "not isolated incidents".

yeah, if you know ahead of time exactly how the vote is going to turn out. I don't remember lots of people predicting that Florida would be decided by a couple hundred votes.

barfo

 

But if you want widespread, you got it.
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

CO 2005 2 Acorn employees CONVICTED of submitting false voter registrations. It's a crime if they can be convicted of it, and certainly a voter fraud crime.

FL 2009 11 Acorn employees accused of forging voter registrations. Police found 197 of 260 registration forms with invalid identification.

IN 2008 4000 Acorn submitted registrations thrown out because they had identical handwriting on them and the people registered were dead.

MO 2008 same story as IN 2008

MO 2007 4 Acorn workers indicted

MO 2006 8 Acorn workers indicted

NV 2009 Acorn indicted on 26 counts of voter registration fraud

OH 2004 Acorn worker indicted for signature forgery

PA 2009 9 Acorn workers indicted for submitting falsified registration forms

PA 2008 state threw out 57,000+ registration forms submitted by Acorn. Is 57,000 widespread?

TX 2008 state threw out 10,000+ registration forms submitted by Acorn.

WA 2007 3 Acorn plead guilty and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

WI 2008 2 Acorn employees charged with felonies over voter registration fraud.



There are similar lists for project vote and a number of other organizations.

 

FAIL. All (or most, I didn't check carefully) of those are about voter registration, not votes. To actually change an election, you need to change votes. Submitting fake registration forms doesn't do it.

barfo