Union Voting Machines May Be Committing Fraud

wait, there's gold under the WTC?

 

THERE was an ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GOLD under WTC7, but IT disappeared after THE BOMBING. Why ISN'T the media covering THIS, and VOTER fraud?

baRFO

 

Perhaps 10,000,000 people smoke marijuana, breaking federal law. But your logic is that because they weren't convicted of breaking the federal law, they aren't smoking marijuana.

 

No... but if there are 10,000,000 people smoking marijuana, then you'd expect there to be at least a few federal convictions. And indeed, there are.
On vote fraud, there don't seem to be. There are a few rather pathetic local cases and individual bad ballots, but no giant vote farms to spray with paraquat. No huge underground economy growing votes. Nothing that would support your position that this is an important issue.

barfo

 

Look, I'm all in favor of get out the vote groups doing their thing legally. When you have several who have numerous convictions and tens of thousands of registrations thrown out at a time, it's more than a few pathetic little cases. When it happens in 10+ states, it's widespread.

When there's a concerted effort to register dead people and others who obviously have no legitimate ability to vote, it's so someone can show up and vote illegally and make a fraud of the election.

There is a huge underground economy growing voters and thus votes. It's well documented.

Denial isn't a reasoned argument.

 

I guess it depends on what "widespread" means to you. Like I wrote, 10+ states and repeated election cycles and 10s of thousands of voter registrations tossed for illegalities at a time.

You also have to look at what they're trying to accomplish. In a few elections, it only takes a few hundred votes to change the outcome of the vote. In Minnesota, for example, Al Franken was named Senator after a contentious recount; he won by 312 votes. An 18 month study of the ballots and registrations found that at least 314 felons voted illegally. If Norm Coleman had won, there'd have been no 60 seat majority in the senate, and the outcome of a number of some really big spending agenda items may not have passed.

I already documented the issues with the Washington Governor's race.

As an aside, governors are really important to what goes on in D.C. For one, when a senator or house member dies, the governor typically gets to appoint a successor (democrat will pick a democrat, republican a republican). Governors also are strong at providing local resources to national campaigns.

 

You have failed to show any evidence for the bolded part at all. And if it were actually true, there would be lots of convictions, because it would be a very simple matter to wait for the dead people to show up at the polling place and arrest them when they do. It's a rare criminal who announces what day and location they are going to commit a crime, and checks in when they get there.

But that never seems to happen. All you can find is registration fraud, not vote fraud. And the obvious reason for that is that one exists on a wide scale and the other doesn't.

Or it's a gigantic conspiracy that none of the law enforcement officers in the country are able to crack despite it being conducted in plain sight. Your choice.

barfo

 

You think someone said "Hey, this election is going to be decided by 312 votes. I'd better round up 314 felons, get them registered, and order them to vote for Franken"?

Do you even have any evidence that those 314 felons all voted for Franken?

Didn't think so.

barfo

 

No offense taken. It's your right to believe whatever you want. We have freedom of religion in this country.

Myself, I don't see any need for faith-based voter fraud assessment.

barfo

 

Beats me. Were crimes even committed? Seems to me the primary cause was legal, if stupid, stuff.

Weren't we talking about a crime? Vote fraud?

The two parties don't control everything in American life. There are lots of people who would benefit from making a big scandal out of the situation - reporters, for instance. I think it stretches credibility to suggest that the political parties jointly keep the media from reporting on any vote fraud they find. If that theory were true there wouldn't be any reports of voter registration fraud, either.

barfo

 

It's not being done in plain sight of the authorities. If you have 30,000 illegal votes cast out of 6M, it's like finding the needle in a haystack. That's part of why people do it and get away with it and why it's unreported.

Consider a teamster type shows up at a precinct with a water bill addressed to some dead guy. He votes. Then he takes a cab to the next precinct over and votes using an electric bill addressed to some other dead guy. And so on. Do it with a few bus loads and there's enough votes manufactured to swing an election.

If we're talking about a place with a corrupt government (e.g. Daley machine in Chicago), you have the people in charge ordering the investigators to stay away (like how in one of the articles I posted happened in Wisconsin), while some political hack runs out to the voting machine in the trunk of his car with a stack of blank ballots.

Let's turn this around. How do you think any of such a huge number of illegal voters are going to get caught? I'm curious as to the size and scope of the organization required to compare 10,000 signatures from one precinct against 10,000 signatures from another to see if someone signed more than once using one or more names. I'm curious as to which 30,000 out of 6M ballots you think can be identified as the actual illegal ballots cast.

I also wonder how you're going to go about this without (being accused of) squashing the vote, disenfranchising valid voters' votes, intimidation, etc.

In the meantime, this is quite enjoyable in a Boardwalk Empire sort of way:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36425-2000Nov16?language=printer

And Masbee got it right. That was then, and now they're so much more skilled at it and have the aid of technology, though the craft of fixing elections is certainly centuries (if not thousands of years) old.

 

Uh, no. You follow up on the illegal voter registrations that you've received and that you claim lead to illegal votes. If you have the fake name they'll be voting under and their precinct, why can't you show up on voting day and arrest them? Seems pretty simple to me, and not at all like finding needles in haystacks.

barfo

 

They're not catching all the illegal registrations, those are just the tip of the iceberg. Even if they did try to set some sort of trap, how does that play out without it being intimidation of the legit voters?

barfo: "Hi, I'm barfo, I'm here to vote. Here's my electric bill, where's my ballot?"
poll worker: "Please wait while I compare your information against this list of 30,000 known illegal registrations."
much later...
poll worker: "I'm sorry barfo, but it seems like you're on this list."
barfo: "but I'm really a registered voter, I have no clue (what you're talking about)."

meanwhile...

illegal immigrant: "I'm here to vote, here's my driver's license."
poll worker: "I'll have to check your registration against the 30,000 known illegal ones."
much later...
poll worker: "here's your ballot. come back after you vote and I'll give you an I Voted sticker."

 

So what? I didn't claim they could catch every single illegal vote this way. I said that if illegal registrations were made for the purpose of voting as you claim, they could catch those illegal voters this way.

Uhm, no. First of all, the list is much shorter because it covers only those registered to vote in that precinct. Secondly, the poll workers have to compare my information against a list anyway. They don't just hand a ballot to anyone who walks in the door who has a local address. Third, they don't need a separate list of the illegal registrations, the list of registrations can just include some notation to indicate illegality. When one shows up to ask for a ballot, the poll worker presses the panic button under the desk, and the plainclothes officer wanders over and leads the miscreant away.

barfo