The Universe has been around FOREVER...

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  1. Rodolfo

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    I've been saying this for a year!
     
  3. Denny Crane

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    This makes more sense to me than the big bang. The only theories about why it banged were mathematical, which isn't exactly evidence.

    Perhaps there aren't really multiple big bangs like the article says. Maybe once in a while some super sized black holes explodes with the kind of effect we see (aftermath/glow, etc.).
     
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    I've actually been saying for a year or so that we have no reason to assume there was a beginning or "creation" of the universe.

    Of course, I have no physics or metaphysics knowledge whatsoever, so it was just a random hypothesis.
     
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    haha what?
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    I eagerly await Kirk Cameron's response to this article.
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    What don't you get?

    The concentric circles look like ripples in a pond.

    People listen to radio waves and hear the echo of the big bang. But are they listening to radio waves that started 13.7B years ago, or from longer than that (or shorter, even)?

    Another way to think of it as lighting a match. While it's lit, you feel the heat. When it goes out and you light another one, you feel the heat. So you feel the heat from 2x match burn times.

    The mathematics and physics of the big bang are quite similar to black holes. Singularities, etc.
     
  8. Stevenson

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    It actually makes total sense. Nature is cyclical - months, seasons, years, salmon spawning, bears hibernating - all cycles. Makes sense the Universe is cyclical too.
     
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    MINNEAPOLIS—Following decades of allegations from the 44-year-old data processor, the vast conglomeration of all matter and energy known as the universe admitted Tuesday that it was directly responsible for every single hardship in the life of Dave Schwartz, and apologized for continually foiling him at every turn.

    The cosmos admits it could have given Schwartz good organizational skills but deliberately chose not to.
    "Dave has good reason to say the universe is conspiring against him, because, well, it is," said the cosmos, acknowledging that it has thwarted Schwartz's hopes and dreams from the moment of his conception. "He may sound melodramatic when he goes on and on about the whole world having turned against him, but he's actually not that far off. The forces of time and nature genuinely want him to fail at life, and fail hard."

    "So, yes, his anger and frustration are totally understandable," the universe added. "Pointless and futile, but totally understandable."

    Sources close to Schwartz have long speculated that his failure to find success in work, love, and life stemmed from his own poor decisions and lack of resolve, but the very source of all causality verified Tuesday that, just as Schwartz has always claimed, the blame for each misstep and unfortunate circumstance rests squarely on the cosmos's shoulders.

    Using the metaphysical concepts of blind chance and cosmic predetermination, as well as other powers beyond human comprehension, the universe claimed to have "done its best" to increase the earthly burden on Schwartz, carefully engineering everything from his difficulty concentrating for more than five minutes, to his receding hairline, to the time he threw up on the playground after eating a whole bag of candy.

    "We've pretty much been riding Dave's ass from day one," confirmed the eternal concept of fate, which Schwartz has specifically, and accurately, blamed over the years for his inability to find a decent parking spot anywhere, ever. "Like that time he was dating the perfect woman and we introduced him to Deborah, who lured him away from the love of his life and proceeded to make his next two years a psychosexual nightmare of neediness and betrayal. That was all us."

    "Oh, yeah, and then we rigged it so she dumped him," added fate, chuckling. "By the way, Deborah's doing great now. Rich husband, two beautiful kids, house on Martha's Vineyard—we set her up real nice."

    According to the universe, it has for more than four decades enjoyed "torturing" Dave by presenting him with desirable life options—such as that big promotion at work, or the fantastic deal on that 1998 Mazda Miata—and then placing them just far enough out of his reach that they remain unattainable.

    In addition, numerous ethereal essences and karmic forces stepped forward this week to come clean about "really piling it on" during periods of Schwartz's life when he already had enough on his plate and couldn't be expected to take much more cosmic punishment without snapping.

    "Back in '02, we purposefully made enough things go right for Dave that he actually managed to convince himself that fate didn't exist and that the universe was a hopeful place full of limitless possibilities, all of which could be his as long as he believed in himself and maintained a positive outlook," the universe said. "Two days later—boom—we slam him with an IRS audit and some back pain."

    "Totally threw him for a loop," added the whole of all existence. "He literally looked up at us and asked us, 'Why? Why are you doing this to me?'"

    When questioned Tuesday as to the motive for its actions against Schwartz, the universe told reporters that it had no good answer except to speculate that perhaps its essential nature was simply "cruel and meaningless or something."

    At press time, Dave Schwartz was stuck in a traffic jam with severe indigestion.


    (from The Onion)
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Bubble burster, you're not the first =P
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I would believe in superstring/octonian mechanics if they found evidence. Thus a big bang would start from membrane collisions as I understood. And I'd like to point out that this isn't a complete change in accepted canon. This is just a couple papers saying they interpret data this way.
     
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    I agree with this, though there is evidence that challenges the accepted canon. See the picture on the WWW page linked in the OP.
     
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    It is and isn't evidence. That is why they are running the particle accellerator experiements which is to verify mathematical theory. Atomic theory was once mathematics too. Now we have nuclear bombs and atomic energy plants. Most people who worked on it knew it would work before it was actually finished.
     
  16. Denny Crane

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    Before they detonated the first A-Bomb (test), many scientists thought it might incinerate the entire atmosphere. They didn't have the math to show how many kilotons the blast would be, etc.

    Einstein's theories were proven (mostly) true through all sorts of observations. Like the clocks in the GPS satellites not keeping the same time as clocks on the earth, or e=mc**2 and the A-Bomb.

    This new theory is Occam's Razor compared to the solitary big bang. The whole idea that there was some magic that caused rapid expansion, then a rapid deceleration, followed by acceleration again is based upon that being the only way to make sense of the big bang theory.

    The Universe is expanding at an increasing rate (accelerating), which is an observation that fits the new theory (each new bang adds acceleration). The concentric circles in the picture I mentioned were predicted by the theory and support the theory.
     
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    There are also theories that vaguely use "black energy" and other dimensions to explain the accelerated expansion.
     
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    And Einstein added a cosmological constant to his equations to "make them work."

    There is no evidence of dark matter or dark energy (or dark gravity!), just a need for it to be there because the scientists can't explain what they observe and what they observe doesn't fit their current model.

    ;)
     
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    Yeah I see some similar problems with string theory. Scientists just add stuff randomly, X number of dimensions, when their theories don't pan out.
     

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