OT: How Bout That Bayless guy?

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  1. crowTrobot

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    3-7 since 11-1 start. some chance this could still turn into a low lottery pick.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Where have I made posts like that before? I don't point out players stats once they're gone, they're gone. I don't care
     
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    Damon Stoudamire was rookie of the year playing one man army on a crappy Toronto team.
    That is Jerryds new role, and one that suits him. Unfortunately with his limited skill set he will never thrive on a good TEAM.
     
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    You were saying the same thing when Telfair was 22. Sometimes you are what you are.
     
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    Even better would be if we had Chris Paul instead of trading down for Martell. And of course, if we'd've drafted Jordan instead of Bowie...

    I know! Let's play POSSIBLE WORLD BASKETBALL: if you don't like the actual Blazers, you can be a fan of the Possible Blazer team that is winning multiple championships in a parallel dimension. If you like they can all have goatees and be evil.
     
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    Sometimes. But, at that age, usually not.

    As I said in that post, "there's a chance" he could become more consistent, since he's still well away from his prime. If I said the same about Telfair (and I probably did, since he was even younger than Bayless at the time), I was right. There was a chance, due to how much time he had before his expected prime. The fact that that it didn't happen derailed his career. But I would say a player not improving from what he was at the ages 20-22 is as unlikely as a player suffering a career-altering injury. It happens, but it's not the expectation.
     
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    It might be interesting if someone researched the drafts of every team in the league over the last 7-8 years and see what team each would have if they had drafted perfectly.
     
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    The problem with the experiment is that each changed, superior pick would have in turn changed every draft position for every season after it. So you really can't build a "could-have-been" team that way.

    It would be interesting, though, to see how badly each team, for their slot at the time, missed the best player available for that slot, with the benefit of hindsight. Year by year.
     
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    He's got a PER of 20.9 with the Raptors in 10 games. I think that your math of him hurting his team 75-80% is WAY off.

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    Is that worse then our current bench, which never shows up, 100% of the time?
     
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    Folks refuse to look at the whole numbers. Even when Bayless shoots badly, he gets to the line, which is often more effective than a made shot. A made shot only gets you two points. A trip to the line puts a foul on the opposing team which by the 4th quarter, may or may not add up to them playing more apprehensively due to foul trouble.
     
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    Cho gave away Bayless for a 'meh' 1st round pick to open up PT for Armon Johnson.

    I hope his trusty computer didn't spit out that idea. Or, I hope he can package the two teenish picks into a trade.
     
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    Addition by subtraction fails again!

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    We got an imaginary draft pick though.
     
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    Good for Jerryd, but until they knew Roy was falling apart he just wasn't going to get these kinds of opportunities to be "the man."
     
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    But this is exactly why you don't trade away talented young players for pennies on the dollar due to "lack of opportunities." You don't know what the future holds. If the team had traded him for another talented young guy like, say, Darren Collison, that would have been fine. But giving up talent just to "clear up the roster" is pretty much always a mistake.

    That was really the error made with Jermaine O'Neal. It wasn't that they traded a young player who wasn't proven. That's not necessarily a bad thing, both teams are taking a risk. It was the supposed logic of why they dealt O'Neal: that he wasn't going to have an opportunity to prove himself behind Rasheed Wallace and Brian Grant.
     
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    Re: Re: OT: How Bout That Bayless guy?

    Yes we did.

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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I get what you're saying but to me it's just the reality of the money already committed to Wesley and Roy and I don't think Bayless was every going to get a real opportunity to play point under Nate, so what would his value have been like if they held onto him for another year? Even with Roy's situation was he going to play in front of Wesley or Miller? Hell, even New Orleans flipped him as quickly as they could because he wasn't fitting in as a complimentary player.

    I kind of agree with Bill Simmons' take on Jerryd; that his destiny as a big numbers guy on a bad team is now fulfilled. He'll get to be the man, he'll score a lot and the Raps will probably continue to go nowhere and as long as he's the best guard on his team that will probably hold, it's like Corey Maggette on the Clippers -- big time individual talent but struggles to translate that talent into a team based concept.

    Who knows, maybe I'm completely wrong about the guy and he's going to buck the odds and transform himself like Billups did.
     
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    Only Cho would trade a player that averaged 14pts/4asts in the playoffs the season before so Armon freaking Johnson can get playing time. Seriously?

    That's only half the reason why it's stupid. The other half is he got about the 15th pick in the draft at best for him, in a year where a lot of players might not declare because of the lockout. And now the Blazers' bench is terrible. Hmm.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    This was more about Wesley Matthews than it was Armon and the Hornets still aren't a lock to be a playoff team.
     

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