So, we send a good quality PG (19 PER) with a team-option short contract, quality big (16 PER and fantastic defense) with a year and a half on his contract for an iffy health-wise SF/PF (both positions where we are actually stocked) on 3 years contract 14.8 PER, a young undersized PG and a garbage man on a terrible contract? Sorry, there has to be a better thing out there for this team. I like DJ as a prospect, I like Crash as a final piece (which this team is not at a position to need), but this is overpaying for them through the nose. Maybe we should also send MJ a set of old Drexler jerseys the team still has in storage? Miller and Joel for this package makes more sense, imho.
In my book, Camby is just as iffy health-wise as Wallace. Wallace is a top 10 SF that can be had for two aging veterans that aren't a part of the Blazers' plans. Plus getting Wallace would open the door for trading Batum and other assets for a PG or C replacement.
Camby is more productive this year than Wallace and is on a shorter contract, in a position of need for Portland. Again, what is the incentive to downgrade talent and contract flexibility? You either upgrade cap flexibility for talent or you upgrade talent for cap flexibility. This trade does not achieve anything - and as such, seems like a classic case of "making a trade to make a trade" scenario.
I hate the thought of Augustin as our starting PG, but love the idea of Crash starting at PF. I'd do it. DJ/ Patty/ Armon Wes/Rudy///// Roy? Nic/ Rudy Crash/ Dante LA/ Diop
I do this immediately. Augustin is not fantastic, but he's young and he's a good shooter without a shoot-first mentality. Wallace would step right in as our second-best player. Diop would be a salary albatross of sorts, but as an end-of-the-bench guy he wouldn't kill us. The team, assuming Joel is at all healthy, treads water now but gets better in the long run by adding younger players, including the best player in the deal (Wallace) and the youngest player in the deal (DJ). It's an expensive deal in terms of $$, but no real downside than that IMO. Ed O.
I would take our chances with a PG that has room to get better than one that is at the end of his career. NJ was also interested in DJ and we could get Devin Harris. Both are better than what we are facing as our PG of the future. Getting Wallace is the key for me. He could also provide minutes at backup PF and brings a toughness we have sorely lacked from most of our group. Diop is just the price to do this deal. Not a fan at all of him, but maybe a team in need of a big takes him off our hands.
How the hell is Wallace the best player in the deal? He has lower PER, EWA and VA than Miller and Miller gets his contributions in 5 MPG less than Wallace (thus his EWA/VA are much better than Wallace's). Camby has a higher PER, almost the same EWA (despite the fact that he plays 10 mpg less per game) and a lower VA (again, plays much less). Gerald Wallace production this year took a fall this year, not as bad as Brandon Roy's production fall, but a significant one...
I guess you have to ask yourself if Wallace's struggles this year are more of an outlier or a sign of permament decline. That's a tough call.
Wallace is having an off year. If he were not, there's no way that we could get him for this price. I ascribe much less weight to 24 games than I do to the previous five seasons, where he had PERs between 21 and 17.5. Roy's struggles wouldn't bother me, either, except he is broken. He might adapt, but we KNOW he'll never be the same, physically. There's no indication of that being the case with Wallace and, at age 28, I doubt he's going to fall off of a cliff. Wallace is the best player in the deal, both now and (especially) into the future. Ed O.
I'm confused why everyone is talking about Miller as if he's garbage and has one foot into retirement. The dude is straight balling, and isn't showing any signs of slowing down. Even with that, I think I do this trade, albeit reluctantly.
I'd reluctantly do this deal. I hate the downgrade at point guard, but Augustin hasn't been terrible and is still pretty young. I've always really liked Wallace as a player and as long as he bounces back, he'd be a nice piece to add. With Miller and Camby only having perhaps one more year with Portland, this seems like enough value.
Dude had a PER of 21 5 years ago. Last 3 years (not including this one) were 17.5, 18.3, 18.6 - practically the same or lower as Miller, other than the fact that Miller actually has not fallen off this year and is much more durable than Wallace. I am going to argue against it - he is an undersized 4 that relies on being able to go harder than anyone around him to get his numbers. With him getting into the later part of his career - he is more likely to fall off than someone like Miller that relies on skill, deception and BBIQ. Wallace has not been the best player in this deal in the last 3 years, he most certainly is not this year - and with his style of play and injury concerns - I have big concerns that the chasm between Miller and him is going to grow... I have no problems with doing a deal for Crash, I have no problem with a deal that sends Camby and Miller out for Crash, DJ and... - but that "and..." needs to be much sweeter than Diop's miserable production and ugly contract.
Assuming you mean the 3 years include this one then it's not actually as bad as you make it sound. The lockout could wipe out year two and he'd be a potentially valuable expiring contract in year three. It's bad given how unproductive he is, but it's not a killer.
I was thinking the same thing but about us....... why would we do it. I can understand Jordan wanting more vets.
