The "New and Improved" Offense without Roy

Dead last in pace
16th in offensive efficiency after being 2nd and 7th the past two years
Dead last in 3pt %
24th in TS%
25th in eFG%
26th in FTA/game
25th in PPS
26th in FG%
25th in PPG
27th in fastbreak points (dead last in last three games @ 8ppg)

So much more fun to watch and more efficient overall?

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/effectiveFGPct

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/fieldGoalPct

 

So you're just ignoring the fact that we're missing a two-time NBA allstar and don't have a lot of talent?

 

when looking at that... its amazing we are over 500.

 

Three time All-Star, and this thread is in response to the many "but this team is so much more fun to watch without Roy" posts that I've read over the past few months. Hell, people were even posting W-L records to say that team is better than Roy.

 

Do you have the breakdown, by chance,for games with and without Roy this season? I'm not saying we've improved at all, but showing FULL season statistics to knock a Roy-less offense, when Roy has played in 23 of our 41 games seems rather foolish to me. Maybe if you showed the stats with Roy and without Roy.

 

This "new" system is 9-6. The "old" one was 12-14.
The old system scored 100+ points 9 times out of 26 games; the new system has scored 100+ points 9 times in 15 games.

Neither is awesome, but one is definitely more effective at winning and cracking 100 points than the other.

 

I was just gonna post that

 

The "old" system won 54 games. The "modified" system won 50 games. This "new" system, if that's what you want to call it, is barely squeaking by terrible teams like the Wolves and Nets at the RG.

 

This new system is on a 49.2-win pace, so it's about as good as the modified system. The old system apparently was "have a top-10 player", while the modified system was "Have a top-20 player". I'd say we have exactly that right now, only he plays PF, not SG.

 

The team is more fun to watch. I think mainly because LaMarcus is beasting.

 

That's a 15 game sample, and as I posted, the "new" system is worse than the "modified-old" system.

Get back to me in March and we'll see what the record is, if no major changes are made to the roster.

Pointing out that the team is worse off offensively, even compared to last season, is a fact.

 

2010 - 25th in team shooting efficiency
2009 - 12th in team shooting efficiency

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/shooting-efficiency

 

Again, show with and without Roy this season. Otherwise your point is lost.

 

Ah, another day, another pissing match.

Can I choose the current offense, with Aldridge beasting and scoring from the low post, and a healthy Roy?

 

How was the system with a hobbled Roy this year? Isn't that what we are really talking about now?

Roy could always create his own shot, thus why he WAS an allstar. That was then now we've got a guy with no lift, no speed and getting his own shot is a thing of the past. I'd also suggest that if Roy was off for a night we were doomed cause no one else had seen the ball when he was on the court. That's not the case today... True this team has lost some ugly games without him, but I like the direction of getting many other players involved and confident for down the road. I don't think Batum, Mathews, LA, or Mills would be growing as players with Roy as the sole focus. I also believe that when Oden comes back being able to give him more touches that Roy would typically take will make his game all that much better too. Remember this is a team sport! The last few years it's been BRoy 1 on 5 and his teamates where drinking cokes watching...

 

Is it? The last three games, all of the seasonal numbers are lower than the aggregate, and the team is averaging less ppg, with lower efficiency, than without him. I welcome you to look up your own splits; the fact is that this team is borderline terrible on offense without the old Roy.

 

fyi... nate said roys surgery went well!

 

Pointing out W/L with or without Roy is disingenuous at best when you consider that 8 out of 15 games without him were at home, while only 10 out the of 26 with him were at home.

 

And pointing out full season stats, half of which were played with a hobbled Roy, to show that this season's offense is worse than last season's is disingenuous at best, considering his hobbled state in one way or another contributed to those stats.

 

I didn't see anyone say the team was better without prime Roy. They were saying that the team was better (and more fun to watch) without a hobbled Roy attempting to go through the motions.

So how the team played the last couple of years is pretty irrelevant. If the team has been worse this season without Roy then they were this season with Roy, you'd have a point.