I think I agree with you in principle, barfo, but program managers at major defense contractors with a program $ scale 10x that make similar. We're not talking CEO of BP salary or anything.
How much does the average brain surgeon make compared to the average prison inmate? Looks like brain surgeons are overpaid. barfo
Really? That's your response? I'm reminded again why trying to have a discussion with you is a waste of time.
Sucks to be a program manager, I guess? But maybe there is a difference between being the top dog and not? Is the program manager a leader who drives the entire organization? Cause I think that was the qualification that mook was looking for. barfo
Getting the discussion back on track from that silly diversion: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...0771346082498.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTSecond Do the Democrats really want to not participate in this debate? 80% of life is showing up.
Likewise, I'm sure. You want to compare clerical workers to teachers, I was pointing out what a stupid comparison that was. Sorry you didn't like that. barfo
Yawn. Back to Wisconsin. The Republicans are now about to have a vote on showing your ID when you vote http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/116680594.html Seriously? Why is this objectionable? Why shouldn't you have to do this in the first place?
Yes, the program manager for, say, 787 or F-35 or Virginia-class submarines drives the organization a lot more than the head of Portland Public Schools. With the added potential of being fired for poor performance of his program and responsible for profitability of the program. I don't know where the "sucks to be a program manager" comes from. You asked for a private example, I gave you one.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest (CNSNews.com) - Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest. In the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered by the U.S. Department of Education in 2009—the latest year available—only 32 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned a “proficient” rating while another 2 percent earned an “advanced” rating. The other 66 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned ratings below “proficient,” including 44 percent who earned a rating of “basic” and 22 percent who earned a rating of “below basic.”
For some reason, there's an entire part of the political spectrum that seems to think the answer is always to throw more money at a problem.
See, you quoting this is exactly the kind of shallow, gut-instinct thinking I'm talking about. You just had to read a few paragraphs down into that very same article to get into the actual benchmarking that I'm talking about, and suddenly it starts sounding like Wisconsin is actually performing pretty typical among its neighbors and better than the majority of the country in its education system. But you didn't do that, because the benchmarking didn't fit in with your storyline. But I'll do it for you: Even here, though, I find this article depressingly limited. A really productive analysis doesn't just measure one mediocre state (Wisconsin) against other mediocre states (Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa). What does Massachuselts spend on their teachers vs reading proficiency? They have some of the most literate kids in the country, so it's worth knowing. What does Arkansas?
Ok, that's very interesting. And I appreciate it. The 'sucks to be a program manager' just meant, that's a lot of responsibility for not much pay. barfo
When you find out, let me know why the Repubs didn't let legislation even get debated in the last congress. It seems not allowing debate is a strategy.
Which Congress? Which bills? The GOP didn't control the US House, the US Senate nor the Wisconsin State Senate in the last legislative session.
Because the US Senate has a filibuster bill, and the GOP voted against cloture, as per Senate rules. The better question is why did the dems have to bribe Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu with hundres of millions of dollars in order to get them to vote for cloture on ObamaCare?
Don't play dumb. You know very well how many record breaking times the Republicans didn't allow legislation to be debated on the Senate floor in the last Congress (08 - 10). Its strategy. Its funny to see how up in arms Republicans are at how Democrats are protesting this bill, and the political moves the Democrats are making to not let this bill pass. Sounds extremely familiar. Seems like this happened recently. Same shit. Different party. The two party system is shit. Both parties are shit. I love to see how PapaG, Maxiep, and BlazerBoy staunchly defend the Republican party. It is actually quite interesting to see how everyone on this forum spins current events in the spectrum of their political views, and aggressively attacks people who don't agree.
We've been over this before on how that "fact" was arrived at by the Dems. I'd also advise that you look up how many actual cloture floor votes there were in the 111th. That you didn't learn a thing from it is not a surprise, though.
I think there's a difference between a party fleeing the state and a party using existing rules of procedure. Do you think that they're the same? Ed O.
