Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?/Genius KP rid of ZBo (merged)

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

Zach has 12 dunks this year, which while a surprise to me, isn't exactly showing that he is explosive. For comaprision, LMA has 140.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/dunk-o-meter/yearly?&_1:col_1=2&start_row=251

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

Randolph was being paid a max contract. Outlaw was being paid peanuts by comparision.

Also, as I already posted, there is a federal drug investigation that involves Zach Randohph's name, and massive amounts of drugs allegedly in a storage unit that Zach leased under his name.

I guess I don't understand why everybody thinks that Zach has turned around his life. At some point, there will be a federal grand jury, and at some point, Zach's name will be brought up during the proceedings.

 

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He sure has played well on a contract year by leading his team to an 8th seed.


Mother fuck Z-Bo.
I was glad to see him go and I will be glad when his stupid ass is out of the league.

 

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It's been a year I wonder why nothing else has came of it? I didn't read anything about him being under investigation for a federal drug trafficking case then or now. Only that one local 'informant' said he supplied drugs locally.

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

Federal drug investigations can take years. Look at BALCO/Bonds case, for example. It is also known that, related to this investigation, that one of Zach's buddies was arrested with guns and drugs driving a vehicle registered in Zach's name. Also, I said his name is attached to a federal investigation, and that his name will likely be discussed at a federal grand jury, if it gets to that point. I did go too far in saying that Zach is under investigation, and I retract that portion of my post.

The bottom-line is this. Memphis hasn't extended him, there is still some evidence of Zach's terrible judgement, and he did not produce as a max-contract player, as a max-contract player should produce. One playoff appearance under that contract is an embarrassment, IMO.

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

Without saying too much, I've been told by someone within the Blazers' organization that trading him wasn't a choice. They had discovered some things about his life and his relationships which made it impossible for him to continue as a Blazer.

Too bad. The guy had real talent. He was surrounded by the worst peer group a rookie could expect and then forced into a #1 option, when he was a #2 or #3 talent. Could you imagine what his career would have been like if he were drafted by the Spurs? The organization would have kept him on the straight and narrow and Pops would have moulded him into an Elton-Brand-like player, who plays all 94 feet.

If he would have been a rookie on this team under Nate, he would have been tremendous. But Nate got him too late. His bad habits had already developed.

 

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ahhh yes, the mysterious drug investigation and/or dog fighting ring from 4 years ago that no one really is following up on nor is going to rear its ugly head. yeah let me know if it ever sees the light of day....but even then, that is totally irrelevant because unless it comes out in the next month when the Blazers original contract were to expire, then no harm no foul.

Fact of the matter is, his $20m is expiring and we would have had that THIS SEASON with little or no detriment to the team (would we have missed the playoffs..we haven't done SQUAT during the playoffs anyway so where's the loss here)?

Who cares if "Memphis hasn't extended him". We probably wouldn't have either. They're looking at being players in FA. They haven't extended Gasol or ZBO. They'll have the $$$$ to be players if they want, or they can resign their players if they want.

 

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The Blazers essentially have already got Randolph's expiring contract, just 2 years earlier. It's good they used it then instead of now with a lockout all but certain with big changes coming to the CBA and all the big FA signing a year ago. Good move by KP to look ahead.

There's go that argument for you.

 

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What did they exactly use it for? They used a combination of his expiring contract + RLEC to...sign Andre Miller? Dre was our backup plan after HEDO FUCKING TURKGOLU bailed because portland nightlife sucked.

KP had no plan. They had no free agent target. You can't plan to build to target a player 2 years into the future....the knicks did that with lebron and they got fucked over at the last minute. He dumped ZBO just to satiate fans who were whining about the "jailblazer era". It was a dumb move by him and Tom Penn..the cap genius who really fucked the situation all up.

Imagine if there was a lockout. That was $20 million in contracts the BLAZERS would not have to pay out for players to sit at home. Bravo KP and Tom Penn you cap space fucking mad men.

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

Last time I checked Andre Miller is playing a pretty big role on this team.

"KP had no plan" - Lol, OK.

The Knicks got screwed? They signed Amare and would have signed Melo if he weren't traded to them. I think it worked out well for them.

You want to know another team who planned 2 years in advance? The Miami Heat. Hmm, I think they have some pretty good players.

There are plenty of reasons why he dumped ZBo and they are all logical. Good plan that work.

 

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Yeah...Dre is good. is he the PGOF we were promised? I don't know about that. Is he worth the huge expiring deals of ZBO + RLEC and holding onto Steve Francis' contract for 2 years? certainly not.

The heat dumped all their players at that last minute to free up cap space. Gave them away. If "Dre was the plan" why did we offer to Hedo first? Dre was the backup plan. KP had no plan. No target.

The plan did not work. We would have still made the playoffs with ZBO on this team. If we had advanced FURTHER than the first round, then maybe you would have a point. Had we obtained a CP3 or Deron Williams or something along that line of thinking.... then maybe.

 

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Andre Miller on the Blazers > Zach Randolph on the Blazers

I was a supporter of Zach, but the shit I heard after he was gone blew my mind. I only wish we could have moved Miles for Malik Rose in that deal. The bottom line is that we dumped him, so did the Knicks and so did the Clippers. I'm glad he resurrected his career in Memphis. He always put up numbers, but now he's doing it on a winning team. Good for him.

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

Could we have signed Miller using only the cap space from RLEC?

Even then, I think I'd rather have the ZBOEC at last trade deadline.

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

No. Zach made more than Raef.

 

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You forger the Darius Miles fiasco took a lot of the money away. They had enough to spend and they spent it on a good player. Good move.

The Heat traded for players with expiring contracts and traded players who didn't. They were planning for the 2010 FA and it worked great for them.

KP had no plan? Like I said, lol. He offered players, one said no, the other player had his contract matched. Nothing KP can do about that, and in the end he still got a good player out of it. Overall the plan worked.

Sure the plan worked. The Blazers upgraded their team by getting Andre Miller. How is that the plan not working? I think you're confused. As far as ZBo, he would have taken away from Roy and Aldridge while being drastically overpaid. KP made the right move in going real young and letting the team gel together and they've been a playoff team for it. They certainly have never missed ZBo.

Obtain CP3 or Deron? Well, that would take a trade so it's not like the Blazers could sign them. Utah had no reason to give up Deron until this year and CP3 the same thing. Sounds like you were the irrational one, not KP, and then took it out on him when your dreams didn't come true. That's on you.

 

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They (HEAT) were planning for one other max FA, not two. That happened because of some of the opportunities that opened up that summer.

I think KP just took the first offer he got. It was not a good trade. He wanted to dump ZBO, plan be damned. Well, the plan was that of imaginary cap space. He bought Tom Penn's snake oil salesman capspace BS hook, line and sinker. How can you say he even had a plan when it seemed getting Dre was more a move of desperation to do something more than anything. He was not the target. KP targeted an aging small forward who, by a sheer stroke of luck, is not a blazer right now.

Again, there was no plan. If you call falling ass backwards into Andre Miller a plan, so be it.

As for CP3 and Deron...."until this year"...yeah, that's why having a big $20 million expiring and young players to get the deal done might have worked. The market presented itself and was probably doable to be honest had we kept ZBO. But hell, holding onto Steve Francis for two years doing jack shit then falling ass backwards into Andre Miller...much better.

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

You give me 20+/12+........ I'd put up with a few federal cases!

 

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Those are two separate issues. The storage unit/drug stuff is from 2010. The dogfighting is from his days in Portland, as was him paying off the hookers that he beat up. What a stand up guy! Sure miss him...

 

Re: Is it time for me to stick it to the ZBo haters yet?

ahhh yes. let me know when that ever comes up. Like I said, its a moot point since his contract would be off the books this summer anyway.

 

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When what ever comes up? Zach's legal troubles are out there, and at the very least, last summer's connections show that the dummy hasn't learned a thing about who he should or should not associate with.

You've had a chubby for Zach since he was traded, you've consistently over the years had to change your stance on "RLEC" and "imaginary cap space" as the ramifications of those are explained to you, and now it seems like you're back to square one, living in some fantasy world where Zach would be a $20 million expiring contract, yet the Blazers would be a better team. I get it.