The Final Word On Obama's Birth Certificate

The evidence is out there. Plus, wouldn't the ~$2 million that Obama has spent on fighting the release of the long form have been better spent feeding poor children? I guess I don't understand why the President of the United States, who campaigned on transparency, would spend so much money fighting a rather routine request. I suppose I can understand why he won't release his college transcripts (unlike Bush/Kerry/Gore/McCain/Clinton), but an original copy of a birth certificate is something I can reach into my desk drawer and produce right now, and it includes the hospital and the attending physician.

Why not just authorize the release? It would shut up a lot of fools. Before Trump, I liked mocking the Birthers, and there are some hilarious conspiracy theories out there (Steve Dunham; Malcom X's love child; LMAO), but at some point, a rational person asks 'is he hiding something'? I'm beginning to think he is, and I don't believe a word out of the guy's mouth at this point.

 

Out of curiosity, why has Trump turned you around on the issue? He's talked about bombshell investigations, but certainly hasn't provided anything new.

And as has been noted, there's plenty of supporting evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, like announcement in the local newspaper. To believe that Obama was not really born in Hawaii, you'd have to believe that his parents (or some other group) knew he'd be running for President decades into the future and therefore ran a massive conspiracy on behalf of a newborn. That's up there with "Truther" conspiracy theories in terms of plausibility.

 

I'm not turned around on the issue. I just had never really researched it, and Trump's bombastic claims got me interested. Turns out that my limited intellect and research skills have me now seeing some smoke, if not a fire.

Well, when my kids were born, you could call into the paper to announce the birth. No birth certificate was required. Same with my marriage announcement.

Those are good points. I think he was born in Hawaii. It seems ridiculous that there would be a fake birth announcement.

Another possibility is that Obama was born in Hawaii, but there is other information on the actual detailed certificate of birth that would contradict his books/speeches/childhood meme.

Well, in this case, the answer is simple. Obama could just release his long form BC to the media, as Bush did with his ANG documents when questions of his service dominated the newscasts.

 

What other court cases are there against him? Plus, I don't consider MediaMatters a legitimate news source. Plus, it would be illegal for "Obama's campaign" to use campaign funds to cover expenses for personal civil cases.

There are dozens of court cases pending on this issue. Many have already been in front of a judge. An active member of the military is now sitting in jail because he refused orders based on a vetting of Obama's BC.

I don't know what else to tell you Obama defenders. Why won't the President just release his original, hand-written long-form birth certificate?

 

I would contend that it does matter and it's extremely relevant. The entire reasoning behind the law is to defend the office and the country from someone with dishonorable intentions. Our government has been infiltrated before by clandestine operatives. I was watching a documentary on the Manhattan project and they said that the Russians had been able to get so deep into our government that they were aware of the first successes of Manhattan before Truman was. In today's world of sleeper cells and espionage, we need to at least be able to prove that someone was born here before they take over the most important singular office in our government. A Supreme Court Justice is vetted before they're approved, why shouldn't the PotUS be similarly vetted before he takes office? I don't care if it's a Republican or Democrat, it's not stupid or trivial to ask them to provide proof of where they come from.

 

No, it was first reported by Soros-funded Media Matters, and those are op-ed articles from the Oregonian and WaPo.

 

The Obama campaign can't use funds for civil cases against Obama.

I also wonder why it is ridiculous? It's a distraction, sure, and not relevant to Obama's terrible (IMO) policies, but it is factual in that there are long-form Certifications of Birth from one day before Obama was born, and from the same hospital. A military member is in jail over Obama's refusal to release his BC to the media.

Why not just release it, and why keep spending money to hide it?

Also, here is the title from the WaPo article you posted.

That's an op-ed article, and an op-ed headline. Read the comments.

 

That's a bit of a distortion. He's in jail for refusing to deploy. It's illegal to refuse your commanding officer's orders, unless they are asking you to commit war crimes.

His reasoning for why he committed the crime was "not believing that Obama was really a US citizen," but that belief is not why he's in jail. There are others who choose to believe that, and they're in no danger of being jailed. It was his choice to commit a crime based on that belief that put him in jail.

 

I didn't say he was incompetent, I said he didn't make good on promises of transparency. I don't think he tried to make his administration transparent and failed, which would be incompetent. I think he intentionally broke the promise for the sake of political expedience, which is something most politicians do.

 

And a state and US senator.

And you live in a country with a lot of people willing to fight and die for your right to an opinion!

 

Why won't he just release it? Answer that question, and then we'll get to your strawmen.

 

What strawmen would those be? My responses have been pretty germane to the posts I was responding to, IMO.

And I have no idea why he won't release it. My theory has been that it doesn't hurt him a bit to keep it locked up and benefits him to have a certain element of the right-wing wasting their time on an issue that the mainstream doesn't care about, as opposed to something like the economy. But that's just a guess.

Maybe there is some stunning secret on that long-form. It's within the realm of possibility. I don't think it's very likely and I also can't say I care.

 

For those who think it doesn't matter, in the craziest of worlds, if it were proven that President Obama were born outside of the United States, what should be the remedy?

1. Immediately have President Obama resign and Joe Biden assume the presidency, keeping all the legislation he had signed.

2. Obama resigns and Biden assumes the office, with all signed legislation being tossed.

3. Obama and Biden resign, McCain and Palin assume the offices for the remainder of the term, with all signed legislation tossed.

4. Have an emergency Constitutional Convention to vote to amend Article II of the Constitution to allow President Obama to continue to serve.

5. Something else I didn't think of, with an explanation.

I'm not asking to be a smartass, I'm just wondering what the positions of posters are on this issue.