The Final Word On Obama's Birth Certificate

Probably not.

Last year I went to renew my driver's license the day after it expired. After taking it from me and refusing to give it back to me since it was expired, I was told that DHS now demands I show my birth certificate or a passport as proof of ID in order to get my license. I had a plastic Birth Registration Card that was issued to me about 25 years ago with my birth info on it but the last 2 letters of my name were broken off so I was told that was no good. I was then told I could get a copy online. But in order to get one online, DHS demands I show a passport or driver's license. I have no passport and my ODL was expired and confiscated by DMV. To get a passport....

To make a long story short, through a series of emails back and forth about how to solve this catch 22, I supplied them with all the info off my Birth Registration Card, the hospital I was born at (no longer a hospital), my ODL#, my SSN, my national and state Realtor ID #'s, and a copy of my background check by the State Police and FBI.

I eventually won out and they sent me a Certificate of Live Birth. It has the exact same info as my slightly damaged Birth Registration Card, plus the 2 missing letters. It has no other info on it. The only other difference is the Certificate number is nearly identical, but not exactly the same, as my Birth Registration Card.

 

Oregon's Certificate of Live Birth has:

Certificate #
Name
Sex
Birth date
Birth place (county)
Mother's maiden name
Mother's birth place
Father's name
Father's birth place
Record file date (date original birth certificate was filed)
Date issued (date Certificate of Live Birth was issued)

It is printed on watermarked paper, like money, and signed by the State Registrar certifying it "is a true, full and correct copy of the original certificate on file or the vital record facts on file in the vital records unit of the Oregon Center for Health Statistics".

An original birth certificate from a hospital would be a much easier document to forge, which is probably why they are no longer relied upon.

It's odd Obama's doesn't note his parent's birthplaces, but Hawaii is a hick state of mostly very lazy, poorly educated people so it doesn't surprise me they don't know their ass from a hole on the ground.

 

In south San Diego, in the blocks next to the border, neon lights flash "PASSPORT."

Does HCP speak Spanish? Next time, ask him to get you one. You can even change your name to Roger Maris.

 

This is where we veer off in different directions.

Again, the proof that Obama was born in Hawaii is LESS than the customary and usually amount of original and detailed documentation that the vast majority of U.S. born citizens has available to prove their birth.

YOU say, that is not only perfectly acceptable, but further go on to make the leap that those that complain about the deficient documentation are CRAZY.

I simply cannot abide that logic and that leap.

YOU may feel that it is a neutral, and that Obama is not diminished in any way whatsover, and you hold absolutely no judgement toward him on his odd and unusual stance to withhold (documents that are claimed to exist by the State), but I don't agree. Politicians that break promises and play "games" like this are a negative to me, any way you want to slice and dice it.

 

Something I would like to add to this thread:

I had zero interest in this subject until about 1 month ago. Prior to that I would skip over all prior stories on the subject. The "mainstream" media reported that all the birther claims had been "debunked" and birthers were labled crazy - or worse. I ignored the entire issue as a waste of time.

For whatever reason, Trump picking at an old scab - and getting a reaction from the White House - perked up my interest a bit. Why in the world was the White House getting into it with Trump??

As part of the extensive coverage revolving around Trump the big debunker web site (the one that won a prize!) updated their story. I decided to spend a few minutes and study this issue. What I found stunned me. This supposed "debunk" web site did little more than "debunk" a lot of junk. Essentially, line up a bunch of strawmen, then knock them down one by one in boring, mind numbing detail.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Ladies and gentlemen, that is not "debunking". It is just a circle jerk of bullshit. Just as much bullshit as a blowhard like Trump. No ground was gained. The debunking sites DO NOT separate the chaff from wheat and focus on the wheat - the heart of the matter. They waste their time with the wild claims. What for?

Additionally, they got some of their information about how the State of Hawaii operates and what records are available, etc. wrong. Hey, they were only reporting what they were told. Which calls into question their investigative abilities, and the motives of those who hand out prizes for good work. But, ignore that for a minute.

The debunking web site produced NO NEW EVIDENCE to support the birthplace, time, listed parents, birthplace of parents, etc. of Obama. They provided NO original birth certificate. They provided NO reasonable explanation for why Obama refuses to release any further historical documents.

So, when you see the oft repeated claim that this issue has been "debunked" it is not true. Only selected birther accusations have been "debunked".

 

The final words should be RELEASE IT.

It's as simple as that. The leader of the supposed free world could end this by just releasing his true BC from the hospital. The Obama Apolgists like Minstrel seem to go to great lengths to continually and define what is really as simple argument, with a simple solution.

 

I think you're a little confused. I don't care one way or the other whether he releases it, as I've noted a couple of times. If that makes me an apologist, I guess the vast majority of the nation are Obama Apologists.

Which doesn't bode well for you birthers.

 

Hmm...

Could there be some correlation between Barry's continued lack of transparency and how it affects public opinion?

 

Lack of transparency about his birth certificate? I doubt it. Lack of transparency in regards to his administration? As I said in an earlier post, he definitely failed to keep that promise and I have no doubt that that is hurting him to some extent. Probably not as much as the economy, but definitely some amount.

 

And exactly how would he do that since he doesn't have it? And would it suprise you that it is against the law for him to walk into the hospital and get it? That would be pretty cool if you could walk into a hospital and walk off with your original birth certificate. Oh wait... that would be a bad idea wouldn't it?

 

Are you really dense, or are you just being a smartass? Either way, not adding much to the thread.

 

OMG! Obama is a muslim jihadist in disguise!

 

The fact that he won't deny it makes me suspect he is.

 

Wouldn't cheddar melt on vacation in Hawaii, or at least spoil? Isn't that proof enough.

 

Whether Obama's brain is full of cheddar cheese is certainly more debatable than whether he was born in Hawaii.

 

Mocking, lying, and obfuscating. That seems to be the MO of Barry Defenders in this thread.

RELEASE IT.

And Paxil, you might want to read the entire thread before adding in your ignorant opinion.

 

Does it seem odd that most of America doesn't give a shit about this birth certificate thing right now, and that the only people who do are Pubs?