A quote on another thread regarding "draft day trades" So what does that mean? We won't be able to use Miller, Oden, Camby, or Johnson on draft day. Only players available to trade on draft day are: Roy, LMA, Wallace, Matthews, Babbit, Williams, Fernandez and Batum. I look above and it really seems Portland may not be doing anything too "KP status" during this draft.
we can trade Miller and Camby. They each have one year left on their deal. New deals don't turn over until July 1st, so technically, they are not on ending deals.
I believe that is correct. Because of the potential lockout, expirings won't be able to be dealt on draft day. Because the Blazers had virtually no hope of getting out of the first round, and the potential lockout, I was screaming for the team to deal Miller and Camby at the deadline. Hopfully we won't lose them for nothing now
It's exceedingly rare (may never have happened to my recollection), but trades CAN be agreed to in principle - I believe - w/ S&Ts, they would just have to wait until the FA period and the contract, of course, would have to be agreed upon by the Free Agent. How you'd get around tampering accusations I'm not sure, nor am I confident that the above would remain the same in a lockout situation, so take everything I say w/ a grain of salt, but I just because the timing is off, I don't believe, COMPLETELY nixes a deal - but it certainly makes it A LOT tougher...
Miller and Camby can both be traded until June 30th, can't they? A team option is still having a player under contract. The Blazers traded for Ryan Gomes last year, and while Gomes had three years left on his contract, they were team options with a buy-out, so Gomes was able to be "expired". Also, why would the July 1st lockout have anything to do with a draft-day trade? The team option would still be held until June 30th to any team who trades for Camby or Miller, but that would be the case whether there is a lockout or otherwise.
Oden can't be traded prior to the end of this season since his contract is ending. Miller I'm uncertain on, because I've seen his contract listed both as having an option for an additional season and as not being guaranteed for next year. If there's an option, then he can't be traded prior to June 30th because his contract could end. If it's simply that his last year is not guaranteed, then it's my understanding that he can be traded in that time period. Camby has another year on his contract so he's fair game for a trade before the end of the season. The reason for this provision in the CBA is to prevent teams simply using a trade as a salary dump.
My mistake.... I was really excited that Cho was going to make some noise in the draft and got bummed out on e_blazer's post. So I can be excited again?
yes, oyu can be excited again. Camby for sure can be dealt. No on Oden. And I am pretty sure I have seen Miller reported as unguaranteed, which makes him similar to Dampier, and also able to be traded.
You can still be excited, but just don't include the idea of trading Greg prior to the draft in your enthusiasm. Batum might be worth considering for a move-up, however.
It wouldn't. There was talk several months ago that the NBA and players assoc. would call for a moretorium on trades. That doesn't look like it will happen though, and you are right about the team option. Camby doesn't have a team option though....at least I don't think he does?
Miller's deal is unguaranteed and Camby does not have an option. Thus both players should be available for trade on draft day ... having said that I think the Blazers have painted themselves into a corner at the point guard position and I think they will bring him back for an additional season. Likewise Camby because of all the uncertainty surrounding Oden. My best guess is that both players will be traded, but it won't happen until the league resumes play after the new CBA is agreed to (December? January?) ... then again how knows how the trade rules will be setup and how expirings will figure into the calculus. I think things are going to be quite a mess for a while.
Move up? I am confused. We do not have a first round pick that I am aware of. So you must be thinking we buy a low first, (hello Suns) and then trade it and Nic for some mid first rounder in a poor draft..I don't want to sound so pithy, but I am not at all excited about the draft this year. Most years I am jazzed, reading everything I can get my hands on, hell I make Mags look like a casual fan, he he. But with as cautious as Cho appears to be, I just don't have much faith in us doing much. I can see us getting picks and using them in trades for current players though. With several teams picking high, they have guys on their rosters that may suddenly become "available" .
The Blazers still have their own 1st round pick. They traded the one they got from NOH from the Bayless deal in the package for Wallace.
Huh, yeah you are right, I had forgotten about that pick from NOH. Now if I could nly get excited about the guys in this draft..
We're talking about prior to the draft. Players on ending contracts can't be traded in the time period between the end of the team's season and June 30th. The Blazers can't sign Oden, or do a sign and trade, until after July 1st, at the earliest, or whenever a new CBA is signed if it's after that date.
I need to clarify this for myself, but I don't think that that's right. I don't even know what the mechanism is for that, b/c Oden has to sign an offer sheet for the Blazers to be able to match. If he signs the offer sheet, that's locked in at a certain amount and raises. From Coon: So the Blazers can't match the offer, then trade Oden; and they can't receive anything in trade for not signing him...I don't think Oden can be S&T'd.
