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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Hearing different things on sports talk radio and the internets with one rumor being the owners want a $45mill hard cap and 2 amnesty clause exceptions. One would give a team salary cap and luxury tax relief and the other would give only luxury tax relief.

    A $45mill hard cap would be a game changer. Lots of good players would be suddenly available for very little money. For example it would mean Miami would go from the big three to the big two and Bosh would be bought out.

    So what 2 players would Portland dump? Roy, yes. But who else? Camby?
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Wow, a $45 million hard cap is VERY low (compared to current team salaries under the current soft cap). Assuming 15 players per roster, that brings the average NBA salary down to $3 million per season, roughly half what it is currently. Even at only 12 per roster, that's an average salary of only $3.75 million. That's a huge pay cut for the players.

    If the owners are serious and plan to stick to their guns, I see a VERY long lockout looming. I just don't see the players agreeing to anything close to that.

    BNM
     
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    They would have to slowly implement that hard cap. Otherwise, even with those two cuts, some teams wouldn't get under the cap. Would need to be gradual.

    I hate the idea of it, personally. Hate the idea of a hard cap in general. And agree, if that is what they're aiming for, it'll be a long lockout.
     
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    this is the first line of negotiations, i predict

    age limit 21

    no hard cap

    stiffer lux tax penalties

    no salary roll backs

    partially guaranteed contracts, like nfl, with signing bonuses

    franchise player where they can be fully guaranteed

    1 amnesty for lux tax only

    lower rookie scale for the top 10

    no mle

    no sign and trades

    overtime goes to 4 on 4 sudden death
     
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  5. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    It's called negotiating. Of course the owners are going to ask for a very low hard cap. The players don't (didn't) want one at all. I bet both sides will agree to a $55-60mil hard cap. It's the 2 potential contract buyouts that are intriguing. You could see some really big name players suddenly available for cheap.
     
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    There is no fucking way a $45 million hard cap will be implemented. LOL

    I do give the owners credit for playing hardball, though. Who will be the first NBA All-Star to accept an uncapped offer from a Euro team, though?
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    The players aren't going to care if the amnesty comes off of the cap and lux tax so I think they'll agree to it.
     
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    Rudy!

    (NBA all star weekend dunk contest & rookie game participant)
     
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    $45M is way too low... Maybe it would go up each year.

    There's no way the new agreement should force teams to shed players. As much as we may not like it that Miami signed LeBron and Bosh, it would be really unfair to the Heat fans.

    The guaranteed contracts are fine, but I would like to see teams able to cut a player and reuse his contract size against the cap. Like the Blazers could outright cut Roy and use his salary to sign other players. The Blazers would be on the hook to pay the remainder of his contract though. Guys who can't play anymore but are owed big bucks won't be on someone's roster anymore. The overall talent level should improve.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Wah, unfair to Heat fans.

    signed,

    Sonic Fans.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    It would be unfair to Mavericks fans, too. And Detroit would be seriously fucked.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    If a hard cap came in that low then it would almost certainly involve an across-the-board salary roll-back for all players in the league. No team is going to sign off on a CBA that forces them to shed half their roster.
     
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    Are you kidding me? Basketball is a 5-player, team sport! Why not just go until someone has spelled out H - O - R - S - E ?
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think if you gave Sonic fans the option of having the Sonics back minus Kevin Durant, they'd probably take it. Not that it's a choice of "lose 1 player or lose the team", but I think it's funny how we're talking about "unfair" when it comes to this.
     
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    A hard cap is the way to go, but I can't imagine it under 60 million.
     
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    lol yes i am kidding you, thats what hockey did after the lockout
     
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    owners will want to keep public outcry down against getting under the cap and being essentially forced into spending even more money
     
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    the big question to me is this...

    If you have 2 amnesties per team and a 45M hard cap, where do those 60 players go? I mean, yeah, I could see Roy going away and Arenas and Rashard Lewis, etc...but if you were, say, the L*kers and you wanted to sign Roy to a 2yr/4M contract he'd be worth it. But everyone's going to be way over the cap.

    Even more reason for us to load up on bench players with upside in this draft. Spend 12-15M buying draft picks and moving up, get a starting PG or C , trade Rudy and Batum, and get a few players in the mold of the Morris Twins, Jimmer, Faried, etc. You have them cheaply for 4 years, and since you're not counting on them to be all-stars (like a normal lotto pick's expected to) you can build your depth back and maybe get lucky on someone being a Michael Redd or Rondo or pre-injury Arenas or Ginobili.
     
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  19. BLAZER PROPHET

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    I can't imagine the players going for such a low cap. If so, there would have to be two amnesty players in order to allow teams to get down to the cap. However, I think we'd see the end of the 15 man roster.
     
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    Would a hard cap be good for Portland? We have Paul Allen which makes you think no but we are also a small market, a less desireable city which makes you think very much yes.
     
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