No Roy Amnesty and Oden will be a Blazer

Do you think Roy, in his current status, is a max contract player? Forget all the bullshit you just said because none of it matters. It doesn't matter what happened two seasons ago with Blake and Miller, it doesn't matter if Roy was a three-time all-star or an all-nba player. The only thing that matters is how Roy plays going forward. Can he recapture his All-Star, All-NBA status or will he continue to fade away? I feel, and I know I'm not the only one, that Roy is done being the superstar player that he was, and at this point can only hope to either alter his game or contribute one decent game out of three or four. Is that the kind of player that you want eating up a large portion of your cap space? Would you want to continue to invest that money and space in someone if there is a hard cap put in place?

Roy might give you a warm, fuzzy feeling because of what he accomplished in Portland, but warm, fuzzy feelings don't win championships.

Don't hire PapaG as GM, he still thinks it's 2007.

 

This argument is like watching a dog chase his tail. True Roy will be paid too much for his skill level due to his knees. But even with his diminished ability his offensive skills are still better than most players we have, so I think Papa G's point is why get rid of one of the few guys who can score.........if you don't have to. If the amnesty clause forces you to make that decison immediately then yes you may have to.

But if we are still over the cap and the cap is not hard, and waiving him simply just gets us a average player in return, then you have to think twice. Technically Roy has had one bad year, in a season where he had two knee operations. We don't know for certain that he will "continue to slide". So if the new CBA lets the Blazers play it out for a couple of years, I say do it. Make sure he can't come back before you cut him. because either way its Pauls money and either way Paul is paying him.

 

Bingo. I think you have it right here.

 

The point is, if the amnesty is presented and it takes him off the books completely, it opens up a lot of cap space that would not have been opened up otherwise. The amnesty is a one-shot deal, and you don't have time to think about it. The opportunity is given and you either act or you don't. Will there be a hard cap? Who knows, but if there's an opportunity to get Roy's albatross off our books, we have to do it. Unless you think Roy is going to return to form, there's no reason to keep him around for that cost if we can dump him.

 

Roy had minor knee scopes, the kind that hundreds of NBA players have had and come back after a few weaks. The team had a much better record without Roy on the active roster than with him this year. You're correct most All-star players can't accept a dimenisioned role. Just like McGrady was unhappy in Houston. Francis was unhappy in NY. Iversion was unhappy in Detroit. When a former all-star can no longer carry a team like they could in their glory days it's best for the player and the team to part ways.

Sure Roy may accept being a backup better than the above three, but he won't be happy with a diminished bench role here. Do you think he was happy coming off the bench this season? Was he happy when most of the reporters tried to interview LaMarcus first? While I don't think addition by subtraction has ever worked for this team, if you can get a benefit (free salary cap space) by subtracting Roy then parting ways with him would bring this franchise closer to a title.

 

I agree that is the point, and waiving him more than likely will NOT open up any cap space. We will still be at the max. But we will have to see how it plays out.

 

Who said anything about waiving him? I said the team would be moronic if they didn't use the amnesty on him.

 

Seriously you don't think the schedule had a say in that? Shit we debated for a month how the schedule in April was going to knock us out of the playoffs. So I guess we should waive Wallace too becasue they both came back around the same time.

 

I am under the impression that by using the amnesty clause you are in fact waiving him. Am I wrong?

 

You're removing him from the salary cap, but still paying him, so he essentially comes off the books. Waiving him outright wouldn't take him off the books AND we would still pay him his salary. Also, I might be wrong, but if you waive a player another team is a period of time to claim him off waivers. I don't think that's the case with the amnesty. I think he's just gone and he's a free agent.

 

OK waiving was the wrong choice of words. I should have used "getting rid of".....

 

Unfortunately he was supposed to outplay Jason Terry.

 

So does Paul Allen.

 

So you wouldn't be in favor of "getting rid of" Roy if we could clear his salary off our books?

 

So was Kobe.

 

I'm not certain what this statement is supposed to be arguing? In all honesty Kobe looks like he's about a year or two away from the glue factory himself. Just because Roy hit his expiration date 10 years early isn't a valid reason for keeping him on the roster.

 

But Roy saved us, turned water into wine, and walked across the Willamette River to lead us not into temptation, but to deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory... forever and ever.... amen.

 

You do know that the Blazers will still be over cap, even after his contract is completely off the books right? So what advantage are you talking about? We will still have just as much flexibility with or without Roy's contract the next 2 years. If we use the Amnesty Clause, it will only free up a roster spot. Also, we have no idea when we must have to use the Amnesty. If we must use it in a certain time period, like let's say, 6 months after the new CBA is implemented; then absolutely we should use it. If we have a window to decide when to do it and just have 1 shot, then what does it matter if we wait?

We still have to pay the full amount of the contract, so it's not a money savings. The only possible money savings would be from luxury tax.

 

WIN!

 

Exactly. And most recently was responsible for one of the biggest comebacks in NBA playoff history. Can't just toss this guy away.