U.S. Is Intensifying a Secret Campaign of Yemen Airstrikes - New York Times

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  1. PapaG

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    How many flipping wars are we trying to start these days?

    Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and now Yemen? Syria must be next. The odd part about Yemen is that we seem to be siding with the dictator instead of the rebels.

    Do we have a foreign policy plan other than "bomb the shit out of them"?

     
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    I think it has to do more with Al Qaeda than with the Yemeni opposition.
     
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    Al Qaeda is helping the Libyan "rebels".
     
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    Global War on Terror.

    And with a couple of hundred thousand troops elsewhere occupied around the globe, having a pilot drop a $500 bomb on something seems to be a pretty good return on your "warheads-to-foreheads" buck. At considerably less risk than a lot of other operations we have going on right now.
     
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    This.
     
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    We're helping out AQ-funded rebels in Libya, and Muslim Brotherhood-funded rebels in Egypt.

    Does the Obama Doctrine include supporting financing and military force for terrorists?
     
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    You'd have to ask him. :dunno: Though I'd say that the US has had a policy of backing the, shall we say, "shady-esque" type of bedfellows for almost a century.

    I was just responding to the bombing of Yemen and other places. I don't think it means (as I saw today) that we've gone from 2 wars to 4 on Obama's watch
     
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    Tell the families who have lost people due to US bombs in Libya and Yemen that.

    If Libya was bombing targets in the US, would you consider that an act of war?
     
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    I don't think that Al-Qaeda has started a dozen wars in the last decade, if that's what you mean. And in WW2, I don't think we went to war with Morocco, then North Africa, then Italy, then France, then the NEtherlands, then Germany, then Japan, then Borneo, then the Phillippines, then China, etc...
     
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    And last time I checked (which was about 1/2 hour ago in the Watch Center), we still hadn't done anything militarily in or over Libya since the end of Operation Odyssey Dawn in March. Even if we were to right now, it'd be at the behest of the UN and NATO, not a war of aggression by the US.
     
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    Huh? We're funding NATO missions, and have spent ~$650 million there already.


     
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    Brian, are you really trying to separate the US from NATO, and absolve the US of any responsibility for what is going on in Libya?

    I know you can't speak against the CIC, but really, I know you're not a dumb guy.
     
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    That says "US Costs". That has nothing to do with whether or not we're putting people on the ground or in the air over Libya. Which we're not, and haven't since March.
     
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    Not at all, on all three counts. I'm not putting opinion into this, I'm just trying to put out some facts. Your initial post of "how many wars are we trying to start" and using Libya as the first one wasn', in my opinion, the right leap to make. The facts are that no US plane has flown over Libya, nor troop been on the ground, since the end of Odyssey Dawn in March. We're supporting NATO's effort to enforce the UN resolutions.

    (My opinion is that there's probably a political reason that we've made that distinction...letting the others go in and blow stuff up while we carefully don't do anything offensively)

    The "responsibility" over Libya lies with Gaddafi, and with the UN.
     
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    WTF does that have to do with anything? We were bombing the shit out of them up until that point, and now we're providing funding to NATO, as well as launching missiles from the Mediterranean.

    The US did fire on Libya, the conflict isn't over, and we're piling up more costs that we can't afford being Team America: World Police.

    Also, I guess we could also say that we're not at war with Afghanistan, since it is a "NATO" mission.
     
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    Brian, you'd better set these guys straight on how we aren't involved militarily in Libya.

     
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    What it has to do with is the fact the we haven't dropped a single bomb, or missile or rock skipped across the water into Libya in months. For less than two weeks in March we complied with the UN resolution to set up and enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, and then stopped all offensive action at the end of March. Even your quote above says "refueling" and "intelligence"...neither of which constitutes continued acts of war.

    No, we're still in Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and have been since October of 2001.

    I don't know that we're providing funding to NATO. Maybe we are, I just don't know about it. But is it your contention that Gaddafi and 2M a day is what should cause us to leave NATO and break our treaty obligations after 60 years?
     
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    I wish I could. I'd love to set a lot of people in Congress straight about a lot of things. But we don't get to. It's up to the citizens to rein in their leaders.
     
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    There are still NATO airstrikes. Whether or not the US is flying does not matter one bit.

    I think you're being fed some bad info, or you're wrapped up in semantics that don't really matter in the real world.
     
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