Mr President, I've seen enough or why yes I am still blaming Bush

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  1. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Here is some words, because I need to have words.
     
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    With a filibuster proof senate and dominant majority in the house, they chose to continue all those Bush programs. Where does the buck stop?

    And obama's spending is a time bomb - like his health care plan costs trillions, not the 150B in the chart.
     
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    That is a interesting picture... but I am not sure I believe it. The temporary Bush tax cuts where really almost 2 trillion? Good God. And over 50% go directly to the top 5%. I see no costs for Libya under Obama so that makes me suspicious... plus troop surge in Afghanistan. With no source I just don't know what to make of it... though I did check the Bush tax cuts have cost around 2 Trillion... the is freaking crazy. Yeah... lets make up for that not by reversing it... but by taking benefits from the poor. Craziness.
     
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  4. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I am not saying the congress isn't to blame, I just wanted to share this information.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I like how keeping my money is considered by the New York Times a "cost". Also, I laugh at the idea that ObamaCare is only going to cost $152B through 2017.
     
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    It is a 'cost' because it was a temporary reduction in taxes to spur the economy. Yep... that worked real well didn't it?
     
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    10 years isn't temporary. The numbers I've seen all along say that eliminating the tax cut for $250K and up would make up $60B in new revenue. Time 10 years would be $600B, right? So if the grand total is $2T, then $1.4T of that, or 70% didn't go to the so-called rich.

    And if you believe in the surpluses as far as the eye can see dogma, the $200B per year would still leave us in a surplus position. Fwiw
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    We had 28 quarters of consecutive growth, so yeah, it worked pretty well.
     
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    True or not, the graph paints an interesting picture of what a runaway president and/or Congress can do to really screw up the country.
     
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    The problem is those running govt. see times are good and commit future money to permanent programs that we can't get rid of (easily or at all). Then when times get bad, we're fucked.

    Giving the people back the money the govt. took and didn't need is the obvious right thing.
     
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    And what were your thoughts on this chart?
     
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    So if you own a business, do you claim a "cost" as money that you let your customers keep and they didn't pay your business?
     
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    Unpaid bills are allowed to be declared as losses to the company . . . close to the same thing when you don't pressure customers to pay the remaining balance.
     
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    People want to trash Obama on health care. At least he has been the only president to really take it on after all promise to deal with the issue. Probably a mistake by Obama and I think could have put his re-election at jepordy. But I'm guessing the way he handled the Bin Laden situation has pretty much wrapped up Obama's re-relection.
     
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    You're trying to congratulate Obama on passing something that sucks (his health care plan), just because he tried?
     
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    This isn't close at all. I guess we just have fundamental differences on people's rights with respect to their money. My view is that my money isn't the government's money. It isn't a government "cost" just because I'm keeping what I earned. A reduction in revenue? Sure. A "cost"? No.

    With your view, then the "cost" being claimed by the government should be anything less than 100% of peoples' income.
     
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    if not to mislead, why are you selling this? With Ted Kennedy on his deathbed and the fiasco of Al Franken finally getting in after months ridiculous obstruction the Dems enjoyed 14 weeks of filibuster proof senate... and thats only if you ignore the presence of many DINO Blue Dogs + Joe Lieberman.

    http://www.google.com/search?client...c filibuster proof majority&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    the buck stops when voters look past the party labels and pay attention to who is getting paid by who... many on both sides play for the same team and that includes many tea party types

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    I agree.

    The thing is that a Keynesian approach is to run deficits in bad times... so we feel good about ourselves in good times (and commit ourselves to programs that people don't want to get rid of later) and then we spend MORE when times are bad.

    It's a vicious, doomed cycle.

    Ed O.
     
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  19. The_Lillard_King

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    I understand your view that your money isn't the gov't money as I have heard it from many people, unfortunately the laws say otherewise. The fact is when you make money, part of that money is likely the gov'ts money.

    Personally, I don't think the gov't is entitled to 100% of people's income or will ever be entitled to 100% of people's income.
     
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  20. blazerboy30

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    So explain again how it is a "cost" as opposed to reduced revenue.
     
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