New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

    NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

    Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

    "The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."

    In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

    The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

    Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is "not much"). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.

    The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA's ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted.

    Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

    In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth's atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth's atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.

    When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a "huge discrepancy" between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.

    James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News.
     
  2. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    One way to be sure you are reading an unbiased article is to note that it uses the word "alarmist" more than a dozen times.

    barfo
     
  3. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    If it's true, that's great to hear. But the author is employed by the Heartland Institute. The Heartland institute helped Phillip Morris to try to show second hand smoke doesn't have side effects.
     
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    3RA1N1AC 00110110 00111001

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    fuck there goes my beachfront property in nevada, i was gonna flip houseboats too
     
  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Kinda like the president repeating "balanced" in his speech the other night. 3 times in one sentence even.

    The guy has a point to make. Bash the writer if you must, but ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)
     
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    Then read the actual report and paper.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Good advice. And put it in context by reading a good sample of the rest of the scientific literature.

    barfo
     
  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Well, your link takes me to a 'not found' page. But when I tracked down the page you were trying to link to, it tells me Roy is a believer in "intelligent design".

    Not impressed.

    barfo
     
  9. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Denny, very impressive and irrefutable article. I think the Gore led global warming alarmists are pretty much done circling the bowl and are now floating out to sea. But, they accomplished their main goal of making a lot of money off their alarmist trick. Those people were smart.
     
  10. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I think you meant this page:

    http://aqua.nasa.gov/about/team_spencer.php
     
  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    This is kind of neato, too. Shocking!


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ced-on-leave/2011/07/28/gIQALNfPeI_story.html

    APNewsBreak: Alaska researcher who documented polar bears demise in Arctic is placed on leave

    By Associated Press, Updated: Thursday, July 28, 4:00 PM

    JUNEAU, Alaska — Just five years ago, Charles Monnett was one of the scientists whose observation that several polar bears had drowned in the Arctic Ocean helped galvanize the global warming movement.

    Now, the wildlife biologist is on administrative leave and facing accusations of scientific misconduct.

    The federal agency where he works told him he’s being investigated for “integrity issues,” but a watchdog group believes it has to do with the 2006 journal article about the bear.

    The group, Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, filed a complaint on his behalf Thursday with the agency, the U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement.

    Investigators have not yet told Monnett of the specific charges or questions related to the scientific integrity of his work, said Jeff Ruch, the watchdog group’s executive director.

    A BOEMRE spokeswoman, Melissa Schwartz, said there was an “ongoing internal investigation” but declined to get into specifics.
     
  12. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I'm in the camp that we contribute to global warming, but I don't think it's very much, like pissing in the ocean. Furthermore, it's not worth crippling our economy by raising the cost of energy when China, Russia and India are belching out massive amounts of greenhouse gases.
     
  13. BLAZER PROPHET

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    I tend to agree. To be sure, people have done some harm here but I think the damage is grossly overstated.
     
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    I think global warming is too much of a hot button topic for people to wrap their heads around & the science can go one way or another. People should focus on local issues regarding water, air, energy & waste management. You can see smog, you can see shitty water, you can see a giant stinking landfill. It's much harder to put your head in the sand when the sand is covered with garbage.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    97% of scientists recently polled in a recent survey of 1370 climate researchers concluded climate change is real.
    http://content.usatoday.com/communi...elmingly-believe-in-man-made-climate-change/1

    Find me a single major scientific organization that believes global climate change is a hoax and I'll start listening. None do. The fact is that every major scientific body that has voiced an opinion on the subject has sided with the general consensus of climatologists.

    If 97% of geologists predicted Oregon was going to fall into the ocean in the next decade, people would be heading for the hills. Because the threat is more diffuse (spread over a wider time frame and over larger geography) the science is somehow "inconclusive." The science isn't that inconclusive (well, science always has room for improvement. That's the beauty of science.) It's the politics that's inconclusive.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Here's a great deconstruction of this specific article:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/j2a7e/global_warming_skeptics_win_a_round/

     
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    barfo you need to address the scientific information collected in the article, that's all that matters. Not the political semantics or etiquette.

    Yeah they said "alarmist", they find it amusing how stupid the UN is.
     
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    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    There's a reason NASA knocked UN the fuck out recently. Climate Change is real because Arctic ice levels correlates with Sun irradiance. Not because global warming is caused by Co2. The Medieval warm period lasted 600 years, you can't take a 50 year computer model and apply it like those moron computer geeks do at the UN.


    Most alarmists in the media waste time pretending their is a "consensus" whatever that means. Even Denny believes in Global warming...... The issue is simply more complex then that.

    Most meteorologists do not believe in man made "global warming".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming


    Dude Climate Change IS real, it just isn't anthropogenic. And you can't do anything about it, and the stupid legislation from alarmists hurts our economy.

    You can find plenty of scientific arguments Denny has already addressed, in previous threads. No one has ever addressed him properly here, from all the material I've read.
     
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    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...is-as-real-as-evolution-and-the-big-bang.html

    CO2 concentrations with historical perspective. The Earth has usually been warmer than the current period we are in.

    This is why you don't base computer models off of a few decades.
     
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