Zogby Poll: Perry Plummets to 18%; Trails Cain For Lead

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  1. Denny Crane

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    At this point, a doorknob will beat Obama. Romney standing next to Obama on stage near election time will seem presidential enough.

    The bad news is republicans will have between 51 and 55 senate seats and will maintain control of the House. One party in control of all 3 hasn't been so good the past 11 years.

    I root for gridlock.
     
  2. mook

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    Wasn't he the guy who drove to Canada with a dog on his roof?

    I wasn't sure, so I just looked it up on Snopes:
    It's kind of hard for me to imagine he'll look "presidential enough" when this story gets more national media attention during the general election. It's his "Rev. Wright" thing, except that it was actually Romney doing it and not a pastor.

    Or the photo of Dukakis in the tank.

    Or Howard Dean's "HYYYYeah!" whoop.

    Some things politicians do are so silly that you just can't quite take them as serious enough for the oval office anymore. The mental image I have of a dog shitting all over the top of your car as you take the kids on a 12 hour drive is that kind of thing.

    *shrug* I could be wrong. In a way I hope so--it's a weird way to lose a general election.
     
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    I don't. There's simply too much that needs to get done.

    But I do root for divided government. Oddly enough, I think the recent Democratic dominance showed the pitfalls of controlling both houses and the executive. The party that is out has absolutely no stake in anything succeeding, so they do everything they can to torpedo everything.

    I think there's a much better chance of positive change happening if both parties have a stake in success and failure. I particularly think Republicans are going to inevitably get tired of being uncompromising. It's fine and all to demand "my way or the highway!" for a year or two as a sop to the Tea Partiers, but eventually you want to actually accomplish something. There will never be a time when the Tea Party so dominates DC that they get their way. So the politicians are going to need the political cover that comes with compromise. Which is as it should be.
     
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    Watched all the debates, and Perry vs. Romney arguing over who said what in their books and blaming Obama for the downfall of this country = :smiley-puke:

    I don't want anyone like that running this country, your either part of the problem or part of the solution. I like Cain because he speaks to solutions, not semantics over blaming who and what. That said, No way he gets elected or even if he did, the corporations would do their usual blockading, lobbying, and slander so that nothing ever really changes.
     
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    There's nothing to be done. Almost anything govt. has done has done much more harm than good. It's been like a drinking binge - it might feel good for a short while but the hangover is going to be a painful and lasting one. Like, any jobs Obama's stimulus has "saved" are now gone, but we are stuck with the credit card balance for it.

    The deficits during the Reagan years were huge for the time, but this recent debt ceiling increase will cover us for a year and it's as big as all those Reagan deficits combined. It doesn't matter those deficits added to the debt 30 years ago, the sum is still on the credit card statement.

    The scale of the problem is staggering. It will take GDP decades to grow enough to bring in the kind of revenues to make the deficits reasonable, let alone make it possible to pay any of it off. Our ability to take any new fiscal or monetary measures is restricted to the point the Fed is trying gimmicks. The Fed used to be able to raise interest rates during good times so they could lower them to stimulate borrowing during down turns; now they can't raise rates much or the credit card payments will be a HUGE portion of what govt, has to spend.

    When you're in a hole, you don't get out by digging deeper. Gridlock prevents us from digging the hole deeper.

    That's for starters.
     
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    Cain might be a big military spender, he sounds confused on that subject.

    I also question Cain's 9-9-9 plan. It sounds like over-taxation and it is redundant.

    I do not understand your argument. A "gridlock", means interest rates on past debt will eventually overwhelm us.
     
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    Gridlock means they won't undertake new ginormous spendy projects.
     
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    No, it means both parties gets a double helping of pork.
     
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    Gridlock is kind of a peculiar ambition for someone who thinks the government is doing everything absolutely wrong. Gridlock means it continues as is.

    I understand your point that gridlock means it won't get worse, from your point of view. But that's aiming pretty low, if you really believe there is a crisis, don't you think?

    barfo
     
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    It's government. There is a lot of ready, fire, aim to it. I don't have faith it is going to be better at what it's supposed to do, just less focused and more expensive.

    The guys at the top are more interested in philosophy and academic exercises than blunt but effective solutions.

    Ever read PJ O'Roarke? He's not your typical conservative. If not, you don't know what you're missing.

    He writes in "Parliament of Whores" that there are hundreds of agencies tasked with preventing poverty. The cost of the programs and their inaccessibility makes them outrageously expensive and not very effective. He shows how for a fraction of that spending, you can do away with all but one of those agencies, write checks to the people who are below the poverty level so they're well above it, and save considerable tax payer money.

    So gridlock keeps the number of those agencies at 150 instead of growing them to 200...

    And in the meantime, guys like Ron Paul are making the right policy ideas heard and then we'll see a real change for the better.

    I root for continuing resolutions to fail, because govt. shutdown will save us money, and we'll realize together the fraction of the missing govt. that we can't do without.
     
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    Because the thing we really need in this country is another million+ workers deployed all over the world not getting paid as an experiment to see where we can cut costs...

    And when that happens, there will be only ~1.3T more to shave off before we're back to balanced. Because medicare payments (only 700B overrun annually, and going up) and SS payments (ok for now) keep going out in a shutdown.
     
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    Those workers go on furlough and get paid in arears when the shutdown is over. But govt. will still be bringing in the tax revenue and they might actually have to prioritize how to spend it.
     
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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ron-Paul-Bests-Obama-in-bw-3821734650.html?x=0

    Ron Paul Bests Obama in Latest Poll

    LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- In a new Harris Poll, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul beats President Obama 51 percent to 49 percent in a general election race.

    “This is yet another poll that clearly proves how competitive Ron Paul is against the sitting President,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton. “Dr. Paul is making strides, affirming that the American people are looking for conviction instead of the typical status quo rhetoric being offered by establishment candidates.”

    These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup.

    Another recent Gallup survey, conducted August 17-18, shows Paul only 2 percentage points behind Obama in a general election match-up. In a similar head-to-head survey from last year done by Rasmussen, Dr. Paul drew a statistical dead heat with the President. And earlier this year in a survey by CNN, he did the best out of the other Republicans put up against Obama in a head-to-head poll.
     
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    Awesome, but the GOP is desperate for another candidate and is STILL unwilling to support Paul. It is a little surprising that inferior candidates like Newt or Cain have more momentum.
     
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    Looking back over the past 30 or so years, it seems like both parties have had a hard time finding top-notch candidates. For every Bill Clinton or Reagan it seems like there's been half a dozen John Kerrys.

    Since 1980, how many times has either party held up a guy they were genuinely excited about? Let alone somebody the majority of Americans were excited about?

    My own list goes:

    Reagan
    Bill Clinton
    Obama (first election only)

    (Obviously, Obama is losing a lot of his luster. Much like Clinton did after Monica, and Reagan did after the S&L crisis and Iran/Contra. Of course, those blooms were lost AFTER the re-election. But there was no denying that Democrats were genuinely thrilled to have him as a candidate in 2008.)

    Compare that to the laundry list of warmed-over retreads (Dole, Mondale, McCain), boring stiffs (Gore, Kerry, Tsongas, Romney, Bush Sr), nice guys but in over their head (Carter, Dubya, Dukakis, Obama is kind of looking that way now) and outright "What the fuck were we thinking?" (Perot, Edwards, you can throw Sarah Palin in there since there was a decent chance McCain could die in office).

    Regardless of the politics, the desirables are vastly outnumbered by un-desirables when you tote up the candidates.

    *shrug* It's a hard job by nature being president. Compound that with the modern dictate that you have to run to the extreme in your party in the primaries, then charge to the middle in the general election. Maybe under such circumstances almost anyone would look like a geezer, a poindexter or an incompetent.
     
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    I have to admit, the "9-9-9" tax idea intrigues me. Anyone done the math to see if this will actually sustain the country?
     
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    Tax revenues increased by 25% after year 6 of the Bush tax cuts. It worked EVERY time.
     
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