Amnesty Clause.... Team by Team Candidates

Maybe I missed interpreted this statement:

I'm not fully convinced that the people making decisions for this team have a realistic picture of where this team actually stands in terms of competing for a deep playoff run (slim) or a title (to none).

I read that statement saying if management keeps Roy they aren't being realistic about the situation.

I'm not saying that Portland management has been picture of consistentcy and sound decision making. They have guided the Blazers to three staright playoff appearances and were able to get Wallace as another piece to the team. But they have made many mistakes too.

I get saying keeping Roy would be a mistake, I think it is a stretch to say management doesn't have a realistic picture of the Blazer situation, IMO.

 

i dont think PA will care, if he thinks it will improve the team, especially if they have a year or two to decide

 

In the past I'd agree, but he's been front and center in these negotiations as one of the so-called "hardliners" pushing for a greater share of BRI ... does that sound like Allen the free-spender to you?

 

wait, so allen isnt a free spender? ill believe it when i see it

id guess he wants the penalty to be harsher so that he is the only one who can afford it

 

I'm saying it looks like he might be laying the foundation for an era of moderation. He's burned through a lot of cash with almost nothing to show for it.

 

like i said, ill believe it when i see it, if you want to believe it beforehand, be my guest

dont use the amnesty and i vote landry for the mle

 

Yep, I agree.

We thought when Patterson was hired, he was going to tighten the wallet. Then, he gives Theo and Miles those huge extensions. When RLEC was not traded, it was again thought that we were being more fiscally responsible. PA then gives Camby that extension, trades for GW, and paid 2M to move up in the second round to grab Armon Johnson. PA is sort of like someone on a diet that does great until they starve themselves and go to the store. They then end up buying the store.

After reading Idea Man, it would seem that being fiscally conservative is the way Paul is leaning. History says otherwise.

 

Camby on the list is stupid.

MCEC!

Oh wait, this management never does anything with large expiring deals.

 

http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2011/10/nba_high-5_92.html

Let's pick up 4 or 5 or 10 of those guys for close to the veterans' minimum!

 

Sounds good, only why would they want to come to Ptd. I'm guessing Miami, Boston or LA is on these player's short list.

On the flip side, Roy in LA for the mimimun would be a crime.

 

I could see us making a run for Rashard Lewis.

 

Yeah, it's a nice bargain bin of players and they're going to do wonders filling out the benches of the Heat, Knicks, Celtics and Lakers. Nice job, small market owners. Set up a situation where you get to pay your former players to help out the very teams you intended to weaken. Brilliant.

 

You can't look at it that way. Trying to prevent other teams from acquiring players won't get any one team one step closer to the goal of winning a championship. But dumping overpaid players and (theoretically) replacing them with other more productive and hopefully cheaper players is a step in the right direction.

Keep in mind it's about finding and acquiring top 20 talent at a couple of positions that usually wins titles, a large collection of B talent with no superstar(s) has almost no chance.

 

If you are refering strictly to the basketball people, that might be true. If "management" includes Allen/Miller/the Vulcans......frankly, I'd say you were dreaming!

 

Why?

 

Why what? Do you really need a blow-by-blow of how poorly Paul Allen has run this franchise over the years to be convinced?

If you don't believe it's been mismanaged by looking at the empirical evidence -- which is a matter of public record -- then what argument could anybody possibly make to convince you otherwise?

 

I believe the Knicks didn't use the amnesty clause on Allan Houston because he medically retired and came off the salary cap and luxury tax anyways.

Perhaps the same could happen with the "Brandon Roy" clause this time.

 

I don't know, that is why I asked. (Just cause you ahve it all figured out in your head doesn't mean that there is nothing to discuss.)

In your mind the Blazers have mismanged as proven by the empirical evidence on the record. In my mind, Blazers ran into a ton of bad luck with injuries that any franchise would be reeling from (empirical evidence of injuries also public record). I think many (including yourself) are quick to judge because of a couple of GM moves that I frankly don't care about and don't beleive that what defines the Blazer organization (I am allowed to analyze the empirical evidence right)

I'm open to discussion. Judging by your posts, I don't believe you are. Basically fuck you right back.

 

There is a huge difference between mistakes that were defensible at the time (eg Oden over Durant), and conduct that is just embarassingly foolish (eg the handling of KP and Cho). When the Vulcans get involved, we get the latter.