Batum ready to replace Roy at 2 guard

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  1. Blazinaway

    Blazinaway Well-Known Member

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    can Batum guard both other guards cause Roy can't guard anyone
     
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    The thought of Babbit even playing anything other than garbage time makes me sick to my stomach.
     
  3. Masbee

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    Stop right there.

    Jeez, can't these sports writers get anything right.

    Roy has a guaranteed contract. Paul Allen will pay $15 mil for Roy this season regardless.

    Saying "$15mil is a pretty penny....." is entirely beside the point.
     
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    Yeah, Batum talking about what he'll do if Brandon is an amnesty cut indicates the players and team are preparing to move on without Roy.
     
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    Not when you account for luxury tax
     
  6. Masbee

    Masbee -- Rookie of the Year

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    The lux tax bill won't be $1 for $1 on Roy's salary. It is $1 for every $1 the TEAM salary is over the tax limit.
     
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    Right

    That doesn't change what I said

    MAX contract + the extra luxury tax(Roy's contract pushes them way over) on a guy you're not even sure can handle 25mins a night?

    That's a bad gamble to take, and there's no need to spend the extra money to find the answer out. You're not going to find a doctor that will say Roy will be back to normal. There's just no way Roy's play will ever justify his MAX contract and the luxury tax as well, considering his contract pushes the Blazers way over.

    It's an easy decision for me, as tough as the situation is. Love Roy and what he's done for the organization, but it's run its course.
     
  8. Masbee

    Masbee -- Rookie of the Year

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    Why do posters keep brining this up as if it means ANYTHING.

    Ever heard of sunk costs?

    Roy gets his MAX money NO MATTER WHAT!

    Paul Allen pays the check if he is in Portland or not.

    The luxury tax matters and is important. Saying Roy "isn't worth" or "won't earn" his MAX deal is just nothing more than bitchin'.

    You can't complain away the debt. You can't whine away the committment. You can't argue "fairness" or "worth" in an attempt to wash away the contract. And, AGAIN, Amesty does not eliminate the Blazers writing big checks to Roy.
     
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    No one ever said Roy won't continue to get paid

    But having his salary on the books for the average production he's going to give you is TERRIBLE value. Only a fool would allow that to happen. It cripples your payroll and what you can try and do to improve your team. It's stupid money. And paying a higher luxury tax because of his contract? Even more stupid. It makes no sense to keep him around at this point.

    Blazers fans are the pet owner that won't put their dog to sleep even though it's blind, deaf and has diabetes. Learn to know when to call it quits.
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

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    The only reason it matters is that as long as he is getting max money and is on the team, he is going to get all the latitude in the world to try to live up to his contract, even to the detriment of the team. His contract, fixed though it may be, influences his role, his playing time, etc. I strongly believe that if the Roy from last year were only making $4M/year, there would be no question about whether or not he should be starting.


    Is having his salary on the books for ZERO production a better value?
     
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    His salary wouldn't be on the books. It'd only be on Paul Allen's never-ending checkbook. That's it. It wouldn't affect the team at all and their ability to improve the team with a lower payroll by staying out of the luxury tax.
     
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    His never ending checkbook? If it was still the SPAM never ending checkbook, then he'd pay the 8 million in LT payment, and keep Roy, since he'll be paying him one way or another.
     
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    Not true. Paul Allen does not have to pay all of Roy's contract. If Roy is an amensty cut the team submitting a blind bid will pay that portion of his contract. It could be a very significant portion, I could potentially see a team putting in 4 years $25 million for Roy. So instead of Paul Allen having to pay the $68 million remaining he would only have to pay $43 million. This excludes luxury tax savings, and only considers your so called "sunk costs"
     
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    PA will pay 15 mil MINUS whatever another team signs Roy for, if that's 4-5 mil that's not too bad.

    what's really crazy is a guy whose knees are so bad can possibly make so much money for FOUR more years - only in the NBA where "amazing" happens...lol
     
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    hmmm. That is a catch-22 though, isn't it.

    If the Blazers amnesty Roy so fast it creates a vortex, what makes you think some team is going to invest $25 mil in him?

    I find that unlikely. Team's would be cautious making a big, long investment in Roy (no amnesty allowed on their committment and no insurance is available on Roy - you knew that, right?), if his team dumps the face of the franchise at the earliest possible opportunity.

    If you had room to pay $25mil for a guard, wouldn't you spend it on Crawford? I would. Dude's a healthy, insurable, baller.

    If Canzano rumor is true (I doubt), we may find out soon enough.
     
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    Right, it could potentially save PA more than 20 million this year alone. Assuming we go under the tax threshold
     
  17. Blazinaway

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    first of all Crawfor will get a lot more than that and Roy at 4 mil per will IMO will look like a good gamble to at least 2 or 3 teams IMO
     
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    save him more than 20 million? Roughly 8-10 in luxury tax payments. So by more than 20 this year, you think someone's bidding 10-12 million for Roy?
     
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    Awesome post.
     
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    If we extend Oden, won't that push us about double Roy's salary over the tax threshold? I have us at about 85 million with Oden QO.
     

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