Batum ready to replace Roy at 2 guard

I think we are closer to 80 right now. Of course, cutting Roy, he gets that full savings of the roughly 8-10 in LT plus 6(seems unlikely) in waiver signing by keeping the roster as is. Cutting him so we can then spend 5 million of the MLE takes away any real savings from Roy getting signed elsewhere.

 

So let me get this straight.

I thought by waiving Roy, the Blazers would save his luxury tax $1 for $1 hit, which would be 15+ million. (maybe more because of the new CBA. I know Durant's salary went up) Then a team that signed Roy would save the Blazers another 5-6 million. Isn't that right?

 

storyteller has us at 80 million. That includes Oden at the QO. It also includes holds of Freeland, Claver and Mills. All 3 under contract outside of US. That cuts roughly 3 million off of that total. So looking at 77. So that's a little under 7 in LT payment. So he saves that 7, and then maybe 5 of someone bidding on him.

 

His LT hit isn't 15 million. The LT is off of the total team salary. So at 80 million, it's 10 million in LT.

 

I don’t understand how this would be a catch-22 or a vortex…

If you cut Roy now teams believe he still has potential for an NBA role, he had a great game 4 in the playoffs. But we saw day in and day out he couldn’t keep up with the grind of the NBA season. He sucked for the majority of the playoffs. Teams blew $25 million deals last off-season on guys like Drew Gooden, Darko Millicic and Travis Outlaw. I think a team would be willing to risk a similar amount of money on Roy today.

But if we hold on to him for a faster paced lockout year with back-to-back-to-backs and as he struggles, the bid for his contract could be far lower to virtually non-existent.

Think of this situation from another perspective, if your saying teams would be hesitant to give Brandon $25 million today, why are we even discussing the idea of keeping him at $68 million today?

 

Why does Roy care what he's getting paid? He's already on a max contract. What I don't know is if there is a given amount of money that a team claiming him needs to spend on his contract. Couldn't a team put in a claim for him, and then pay him the vet minimum? Take Dallas, or Miami, or even Chicago. What would stop any of those teams from making a claim on Roy, and then selling him the idea of Paul Allen paying for his max contract, while taking the vet minimum to give those teams that much less to pay?

Or, if nobody claims Roy, then what is stopping an elite team from adding Brandon Roy at practically zero cost? I think the idea of cutting Roy before even seeing him at camp is extremely stupid, but then again, nothing the Vulcans have done for years have made much sense.

Because that's not the cap/tax hit for this year. Reading above, waiving Roy and then using the full MLE on some players is basically $5 million in real-time savings. Unless the Blazers can find some offense off the bench with that MLE, the team gets worse, IMO. Either way, the Roy situation is going to make some fans happy, and other fans irate. I don't think there is any obvious 'correct' decision to make, so we're all left to our opinions.

 

I don't think you understand the concept of a blind bid by teams under the salary cap.

 

What if nobody bids on him? Or what if the blind bid amounts to the vet minimum? I guess I just don't see a long list of teams under the cap that would be willing to offer the MLE for Roy, or anything resembling a long-term contract. If he's as washed up as some people seem to think, why would anybody commit to him for anything more the a vet minimum contract?

 

So wouldn't keeping Roy mean Roy's costing the Blazers $30M with the luxury tax and everything included?

$30M for damaged goods. Heh. And I doubt the Blazers find another player to spend $15M on. Even in your scenario though, I'd rather spend $30M on the hypothetical "true" franchise player than damaged goods.

 

No way the savings would be $20mil.

 

Math bad.

Try again.

 

Show me

 

We are talking a franchise player, cornerstone, dude who "saved" Blazer basketball as it came out of arena bankruptcy and "broken models".

If the Blazers can't severe ties with the franchise player fast enough, that sends the message to bidding teams that Roy - despite what he may say - is likely DONE as any kind of NBA caliber player.

Thus, your and others argument that teams will blind bid $25 mil for Roy are illogical.

Sure, there could be some crazy owner or GM that would do something stupid. But, relying on stupid is not a smart strategy. If the Blazers want to cut Roy, they should assume he gets picked up for the minimum and make their decision accordingly.

 

I'm only gong by what's on the payroll and counts against the cap. Anything off the books is different when it comes to having the space to build the team up. Once Roy gets cut he wouldn't count against the cap, and the Blazers would be under the luxury tax. Adding Roy's off the books salary to another players salary that is on the books is two different things.

Keeping Roy - $15M salary, $15M luxury tax = $30M

Cut Roy - Off the books and no luxury tax. If they did add another $15M player(which is pretty unlikely) he'd be a $30M player because of the luxury tax(in theory). You don't add it to Roy's contract, not too mention you were probably able to attain that player because you cut Roy.

Is that wrong?

Keeping Roy's salary on the books just doesn't make sense. It's a crippling contract now and in the future.

 

that math is way off. Roy has a 15m salary. He does not currently equal 15 in LT payments. And we have no ability whatsoever to add a 15m player. I don't understand this at all.

 

I was never good at math! I'm so confused right now!