i mean you don't take the parts of the bible that are contradicted by modern morality seriously. you make excuses for them. "oh, that's the old testament, jesus did away with that" is just an excuse. the notion that jesus dying somehow made homosexuality no longer an abomination to god is pretty nonsensical. being able to change your mind is a strength, not a weakness. i'm not really a moral relativist anyway. i believe a form of objective morality (in a practical non-realist sense) emerges as part of evolution.
Not following you. The Scriptures relate (both, Old and New Testament) that homosexuality is a sin. It says that fornication of any kind is a sin, as well.
yes really. the only reason christianity is still taken seriously in a modern social context is that most christians ignore or make excuses for the laws and actions of god in the OT. a lot of them ignore Paul's clear implication about homosexuality being a sinful perversion in the NT.
I don't. That said, it's a sin like any other sin is a sin. Fornication (sex outside of marriage) is a sin. So is cheating on your taxes.
their religious faith was certainly an enabler. that's true whether the motivation for 911 was religious jihad or not.
See that's where I dont think u understand. Mankinds first sin was disobedience. That was what damned us to hell. So in reality, that is considered a mortal sin. Disobeying your father, laws or god, it's the same. God is perfect and everything is a mortal sin. A lie, rape, murder, sex without marriage, it's all the same in gods eyes. So Jesus never said, be saved and go on living a sinful life. But his sacrifice is a gift. He didn't die for part of your sins. He died for all sins. And since he is the alpha and omega, he knew what each of us did before and after salvation.
ok cool that you're consistent about that, but in current times if every christian went around stating publicly that homosexuality is a sin it wouldn't exist as a mainstream religion for very long.
Oh and FYI, king David, whom was a man of god sinned countless times. In fact, he was in love with a woman so much, that he sent her husband in the front line of battle to die so he could have her.
Humans are sinners and are never perfect. This is why I can't bank on a religion. Many people use their morals and beliefs to judge the severity of sins. This is wrong. Even Jesus said "the man without sin cast the first stone". Basically saying "who are you to judge others what is right and wrong when you are wrong in the first place?" So with homosexuality, or other types of sins, it's between that person and god. I can't judge them because I am not god.
yes i know all that. my father was a minister : ) i'm saying a lot of the sins of a moral nature described in leviticus aren't considered sins at all today by most modern christians, who typically say something like "jesus fulfilled the law, so the law changed". that's nonsensical, unless god is just a moral subjectivist who likes to play mind games with humans.
From what I can tell, God really isn't into "religion". He's into "relationship"...with Christ. It's man that gets all caught-up in that religion thing. God's "church" is a worldwide body of believers....irrespective of what type of Christian denomination they might worship at. BTW, the Pharisees were into their religion, to a 't'...and we know what Jesus had to say about those cats.
Why? If you reference the old testament, they had to make blood sacrifices to wash their sins on a routin basis. When Jesus said that he died for all sins, he became the final lamb of god. Like I said before, it's not for anyone else to judge, but god. Your holy spirit will give you guidance. The closer you are with god, the easier it is to know right from wrong. But again it's only you. Doesn't matter how close to god you are, you or anyone else can't judge and don't know if one is truly living in sin or living by the blueprint Jesus put before us. Remember that one of the most respected new testament leaders "Paul" said he was the king of sinners.
Homosexuality "is" a sin. I'm guessing here, but Mags may be saying whether (or not) they get ultimately get right with God (through repentance in Christ) is not his place to judge.
I am not judging them. I am just stating that in the bible it's referenced as sin. But who am I to judge when my sins are just as bad as anyone else's? I fall way short of the glory of god. My works will never get me into heaven. And a homosexual has just as much right into heaven as I do, if he accepts Christ as his or her savior. No law will take that away.
