It appears likely we will have a naval battle with Iran soon. Any guesses/thoughts as to if it will stop there, or will we use it as a reason to go after their nuclear capabilities in a big way?
A "naval battle" wouldn't take very long. They have only three kilo-class diesel subs, 4 Yono midget subs and one new destroyer-esque corvette. Their strategy relies on asymmetric warfare (swarming small boats, mines and surf-to-surf missiles) and sinking something to block the straits. Asalyuheh and Jask couldn't logistically support a ramp-up of more forces even if they had them. If they wanted to get tricky and just sink the next two tankers that come through the Strait, that could get messy (in more ways than one).
That would be extremely difficult with the subs they have. The Kilos don't have the endurance to make it to the western Atlantic, so they'd have to refuel somewhere. And then snorkel across the ocean. Kinda tough to stay quiet when you're running a diesel and blowing smoke. They basically have one ship (the new Jamaran) that could even make the trip. It's not a sub, nor stealthy, nor particularly powerful. There's no type of "presence" operation it could do.
Nah fuck that, pointless military interventionism won't make the terrorists go away. And it will cause blowback.
"Pointless military interventionism." They're threatening to block the straight of Hormuz to trade ships. There's a point to not letting them get away with it. "won't make the terrorists go away." Since we're talking about a uniformed admiral in the service of his country's navy, and not some rag-head in a cave somewhere, I don't think we're talking about the same thing. "and it will cause blowback." What the hell are they going to do? Fabricate nuclear weapons to make it easier to meet their stated intention of "wiping Israel off the face of the earth?"
Nah dude this isn't Fox News, that's not gonna slide. And why are they threatening to do that? Nice try but you're not slick enough. Well first, Bullshit you think they're all terrorists. All you neocons are the same. And lastly this is good news. Don't fucking intervene in their country and stop surrounding them with your military bases. I'm not even sure that's the correct translation. Also They're not going to do jack shit, hysterical people like you should never be in charge of our military.
um, ABC, BBC, CNBC, Al-Jazeera...you don't have to believe me, but it's a bit foolish to not believe the transcript from the guy's mouth. Because those "neocons" in the EU are threatening sanctions if they don't stop their nuclear weapons program? [/quote] You don't have to be slick to read english. Your ass is showing pretty badly here. Why does one need to develop nuclear weapons (illegal in accordance with the anti-proliferation treaty they signed) to protest military bases? And even if that's the case, who the fuck is Iran to tell Saudi Arabia, bahrain, etc. who they can allow to build in their country? Do you think the US has built bases and said "Fuck you, we're staying here?" How has the US (or anyone else) "intervened" in Tehran? I'm amused that your definitions are as illogical as your positions. And the only people who believe your translation conspiracy theory are Iranian apologists, so you're kind of treading on that "poor credibility" territory there, as well. Read a book or magazine sometime...it's ok to not have all the answers. But you're opening yourself up to that idiom "open your mouth and remove all doubt" thing here.
Edit: Just to clarify, Israel is allowed to defend itself dude....... I am ok with that.... You don't know what a transitive verb is and you don't know Persian. Also it doesn't even matter if he said he wants to nuke the Portland Trailblazers off the map. You are a hysterical neocon that needs to read a little more history. You have failed almost every single time you have intervened in the middle east. "The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14] Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[15][16][17] Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[18] Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – "wipe Israel off the map" – suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.[19][20][21] The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this line of reasoning.[22] In a June 11, 2006 analysis of the translation controversy, New York Times editor Ethan Bronner stated: [T]ranslators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his website, refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran’s most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say “wipe off” or “wipe away” is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive. Bronner continued: "..it is hard to argue that, from Israel's point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question."[13] This elicited a further response from Jonathan Steele, who noted that Bronner agreed that "map" or any other place noun had not been used and criticized this Wikipedia entry (as it was on June 14, 2006) for "claiming falsely" that Ethan Bronner had "concluded that Ahmadinejad had in fact said that Israel was to be wiped off the map".[23] At a gathering of foreign guests marking the 19th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 2008, Ahmadinejad said: "You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene."[24] The Iranian presidential website states: that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."[25]" Because those neocons have fucked up the middle east plenty, and so have you. Why the fuck would Iran not want to have nuclear weapons? Good, take your own advice. You are a failure. Your sanctions have never worked. Yep the US has intervened in Iran, I guess that's too hard for you to understand. Why should Iran trust us when we screwed their democratically elected president in the 1950's? Fake-Liberals/Neocons have a disgusting ideology that has dragged us into the Korean and Vietnam war. Not to mention Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan. Fuck them and fuck your war mongering. "Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[15][16][17]" http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\02\22\story_22-2-2006_pg4_15 Yeah read a fucking book, sanctions don't work dude. Sorry buddy you had your chance.
Like I said, substitute "Iraq" for "Iran", and "Bush" with "Obama". Your justification for the Iraq/Iran war was insane.
First, I'm relatively well-educated, I will put my history-reading experience up with just about anyone, and I laugh that you think I'm a charlatan for the facts I've posted here. The "transcript from the guy's mouth" was from this guy saying this: It's been reported by Reuters, ABC, BBC, Al-Jazeera and CNBC. Not just Fox. Maybe you can use transitive Persian to show that he really meant that they're not planning on spilling oil in the strait. I don't know how you get that a) I'm hysterical, b) that I'm a neocon, c) that these sanctions are mine, or that . I've already said that it wouldn't be a long naval battle, that they couldn't do much to us except asymmetrically with missiles and mines, that they could do what they're talking about by sinking a couple of oil tankers in the strait. The EU (the "West" to the Iranian VP) I am literally begging you to show me one shred of evidence that the US has done one single solitary action to intervene in Iran's sovereignty since they gave our hostages back. What's hard to understand is that you think making shit up to meet your incompatible-with-reality worldview makes you right. I don't get that. And b/c I'm apparently not high enough to be on your exalted plane, what do you keep calling me a neocon for? What's your definition of that? Or should I just wikipedia it and lol? I'll requote a good part of your conspiracy "proof" you just posted...it had to be an accident: It doesn't matter what you think they WANT, it's the treaty that they signed (with about every single other country in the world). I'm sure that people WANT to park an oil rig in Iranian waters and start drilling for oil, but we've all signed treaties saying we won't do that in other countries' territorial waters. But instead of learning...go ahead and keep saying "Fuck" and "neocons". That'll show 'em!
Obama is also "well educated" by your low standards. Having a college degree is not sufficient. Yet you're unable to follow what we're talking about. The Iran Foreign Minister is not a conspiracy theorist is he? "Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime." Lol dude. At least read next time. Man you have reading comprehension problems. I'm talking about wiping Israel off the map and you're talking about this other stuff. Take your time and take it all in before you reply. I honestly don't care what Iran does with their strait, and I hope they shut it down just to fuck you. ;P LOL. That would be hilarious, your sanctions fucked up again. I'll ask you again, why are they threatening to shut off their strait? Oh it sure wouldn't be a long battle. Not until the blowback occurs at least. You're not going to be able to stop nuclear proliferation, and you'll end up killing millions of people in a preemptive war. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/13/us-iran-computer-duqu-idUSTRE7AC0YP20111113 Woops bruh. Stop with the Captain America, we're perfect all the time BS. You represent neocons perfectly, watch some of the debates in case you're that unaware. The UN is worthless and so is the NPT. It was foolish to sign that treaty, and it ended up pushing the Moderate Khatami out in favor of Ahmadinejad. Unintended consequences bruh.
Iran seems infatuated with nuking Israel. But as long as we have troops within their reach, they are able to cause a lot of mischief without nukes. I'm good with letting Israel defend themselves. They are pretty good at it. Japan declared war on us over sanctions. Something to keep in mind. Iran's leadership may be of the suicide bomber mentality, but the people aren't.
