We are no longer a "Jump Shooting Team"

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    You have no idea how much this means to me as a fan. Look at OKC... They are a jump shotting team and when their shot isn't falling, they look really really bad.

    It's nice that Aldridge is trying to post up and dominate. It's also nice that Batum, Matthews and Wallace are making extra effort to get to the rim. Yeah so they are missing lay-ups right now. I think that has more to do with getting back into shape and timing.

    We aren't run and gun either; which is another HUGE plus. We are basically right in the middle. We run when we can, but are willing to take it inside on a half court set.

    Just love the way we look right now.
     
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    Do you have stats that show this?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Show what?
     
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    That we are no longer a jump-shooting team.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Well it's an observation watching the games. Am I on crazy pills or something? Am I the only one that sees this?
     
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    I'm still seeing a lot of jump shots. And considering it appears that LMA is getting deep less often and less FTs, I'm not sure we're actually less of a jump-shooting team that last year.

    You could be right, I'm just curious if there is a significant change in some key related states compared with the last couple years.
     
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    I think we are a jump shooting team but its different then what we used to be. The difference is that we are a jump shooting team that has the ability to slash and a reliable player in the post game.
     
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    Double post.
     
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    We shoot fewer crazy baseline threes than last season, but I feel like we're still shooting plenty of mid-range jump shots. LMA has been making money off his pick and pop 17-footers this season too (though as his legs get less heavy, he might get to work down low more).

    There are places to get stats on inside versus mid-range versus long-range shooting. I just can't remember the URLs right now.
     
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    I see a ton of jump shots from the Blazers
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Maybe I should have rephrased it then. Their philosophy isn't to take a perimeter shot. There have been tons of "blown lay-ups", so their effort is there. You can see Nate is really trying to get closer to the basket. Once the turn-overs go down and timing is better, we will start making these lay-ups.
     
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    No stats to support it, but my feeling is that we are getting way more short-range looks, drives to the basket, and generally higher % shots.
     
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    According to 82games.com (http://www.82games.com/index.htm), here's the number of jump shots we took over the past few seasons, as a percentage of total shots:

    2011/2012: 66%
    2010/2011: 71%
    2009/2010: 69%
    2008/2009: 66%
    2007/2008: 65%

    I think the quality of the jump shot taken is far more important than the quantity. If a decent shooter is wide open from 10 feet, I'm happy with that shot all day long. On the other hand, if it's a rushed shot among multiple defenders, it's very likely a wasted possession. I don't know of any good metrics for shot quality out there... Any ideas?
     
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    Some stats: 19th in the league in 3PA (87 vs league average of 100) but 16th in percentage (.345, slightly above the league average of .338). We are 13th in FTAs (132 vs league average of 130), and 2nd in FT% (.818).

    Tangental, not related: our opponents shoot only 26.3% from 3 point range. We're second in the league in that regard. Good perimeter defense with Matthews, Felton, Wallace, Batum all getting into people's faces out there.
     
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    Just to include one more number in there, here's the same stats as before, along with the effective FG% for the jump shots:

    2011/2012: 66%, .464
    2010/2011: 71%, .437
    2009/2010: 69%, .449
    2008/2009: 66%, .465
    2007/2008: 65%, .455
     
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    Now that is a sexy stat!
     
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    Thanks for the 82games URL. One interesting stat: our best major minutes lineup is our starting lineups (win % of 75) In the last few years, that hasn't been the case. In 09-10 and 10-11, our 2nd most-used lineup was much better than our most-used lineup. 08-09 is the most similar in terms of performance.

    EDIT: I see TripTango's stat line bears out the 08-09 similarity further.
     
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    Interesting! Thoughts on analysis? Was that a result of Roy's declining knees?
     
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    Wait -- just checked those lineups. At least last year, the difference would seem to be Gerald Wallace.
     
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    Last year seems to be integrating Wallace and a gimped Camby who couldn't hit water from a boat. 09/10 is probably a gimpy Roy trying too hard on his own before his knees gave out completely. In both cases, the team was pumped up to win for the gipper with their second lineup, and had surprises playing out of position (Bayless at SG in 09/10, and Aldridge at center in 10/11) that hadn't been scouted and really shined for a while.
     

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