I think there's a pretty big difference between natural selection (i.e. the more dominant and fit surviving over the less fit) and unnatural selection (a calculated decision by a person or culture that one particular type of person or species should be exterminated). By the way, Hitler committed suicide, so he must not have thought he was that fit in the end.
So we use the western world, and count their death totals, or just specific ones? How do you get to that number. Is the US is founded on christian values, then deaths caused by US in some form count as deaths caused by christians? How does that work exactly to get your number. Or is it just the society as whole? The leader? Deaths under their watch?
They are the same species Zybot. Darwism definition of "Survival of the Fittest" means that a species evolves into a better version of that species, then kills the weaker species. You disagree that it says that?
Thanks for seeing what I am trying to accomplish. It's funny that people are thinking my arguments are Christian. I doubt any Christian would even make the arguments I am making right now.
Oh and um, I don't think anyone in here is truly agreeing that Hilter's actions were just. This is why people are pissed that I am compairing Darwin's theory to the mass genocide of Jews.
i'm not trying to make you look stupid. the examples you've been trying to use to demonstrate your argument aren't coherent. my moral views aren't dictated by 'survival of the fittest' or majority rule, nor is there any logical reason to think they necessarily should be. i think genocide is immoral because i value human life and well-being, in particular my own. that's a matter of simple common sense. there's no mysterious inner voice telling me what's right or wrong.
The 17 million deaths were a result of the crusade against Muslims and random acts of Christian terrorism in the middle ages. The 130 million deaths in the 20th century were issued by atheist leaders who looked to rid the world of races they saw unfit. When you wipe God out of the picture and try to live by your own rules, history as proven that societies crumble. I'm also not aware of any mass genocides committed by followers of Jesus Christ.
Natural selection is the same thing. You are massaging the issue. A lion would have no problem destroying millions of lions, if it felt those lions will weaken it's chance for survival. Anyone that studies animals would agree. How about this. You put a highly agressive 12" fish in a fish tank and toss hundreds of community fish being only .24" in length; then don't feed those fish for a week. Come back and tell me what you see?
How was hitler removing god from the picture? because he didn't act as a christian "should" shouldn't change how he interpreted something, and what he believed. I don't think it's fair to include his numbers in that count, just because you don't believe that he believed what he believed.
Survival of the fittest doesn't necessarily mean intentional killing of the weaker species. It just means that through natural selection the more genetically fit will survive vs. the less genetically fit. Are you suggesting that darwinism principles make the dominant cultures more "fit"? I suppose that in an age with advanced weaponry, the more "fit" could be cultures that are willing to use the weapons to wipe out their social competition. I am not that well versed in Darwinism, but I think that is a perversion of the theory and I mean that in the most nonperjorative way possible.
Now we are getting somewhere! You just admitted that the truth or "morality" has always been there. How can this be? Is "morality" something with mass? If not, then how does it exist? Yes because you already know right from wrong. Because you evolved with the inprint of this information; or maybe the information was already there and you know this because you have the ability to see this moral view.
There are contradicting accounts on what Hitler actually believed. I doubt Hitler even knew what the hell he believed. Either way, he was a crazy mofo. I guess what you choose is based on your bias. And even if you remove Hitler from the picture atheist societies still have an ugly track record.
See my response to RR7. A fish is a natural species. They follow the rule of natural selection right? So why is it okay for that fish to kill hundreds of its own to survive?
OK -- I think I see your point, but it really has nothing to do with Darwinism. You are more or less talking about natural law. Caveman and Lord of the Flies stuff.
