Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief

Nice one! LOL yeah money wouldn't be a need in the afterlife.

Hey you mind answering post #731?

 

I don't think either of those definitions imply that all atheists claim to have proof of God's nonexistence, so I don't agree with your conclusion about them.

 

But according to that definition? Even if you believe it's not what Atheism is.

 

Right -- I'm going straight by those definitions here. "Belief" doesn't necessarily imply absolute proof -- in fact there is very little we can prove absolutely.

If your question is "is the claim to have absolute proof for God's nonexistence reasonable", then I would agree with you that it is not.

 

That's an honest answer. And it doesn't discredit your "belief". Good answer! rep'd

 

A couple quotes to chew on:

and if there some that do not know who he is; well he was the author and pioneered the scientific method.

 

no. that definition says belief there is no god. nothing about that is unsound.

 

So then the belief in God is sound as well?

 

I prefer this one:

"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, though religion were not; but superstition dismounts all these, and erecteth an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. Therefore atheism did never perturb states; for it makes men wary of themselves, as looking no further: and we see the times inclined to atheism (as the time of Augustus Cæsar) were civil times. But superstition hath been the confusion of many states, and bringeth in a new primum mobile, that ravisheth all the spheres of government."

 

No problem. Less 10%, naturally.

 

I couldn't agree more. Religion, in my mind, is catastrophic when you have people blindly following. I think that's why the first quote I given made a lot of sense. Until we strive for full philosophic understanding; atheism is a better state of mind.

And I am only bringing up "Christianity" because that is my faith. But I think this makes a lot of sense when Jesus tells us to strive, learn and pursuit to be like Christ. If you don't; you will be lead to do harmful things in the name of the Lord.

 

So you agree with Bacon that atheism leads to sense and a "natural piety"?

 

Been kinda my point. I look at atheism as a form of religion.

 

That wasn't the question!

 

Well I believe piety as a "religious devotion" or "spirituality". So your question is do I think Bacon thinks Atheism is sense of natural religious or spiritual devotion? Basically nature's religion?

 

In context, Bacon seems to be describing "morality", would you agree?

 

Let's see:

Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, though religion were not; but superstition dismounts all these, and erecteth an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. Therefore atheism did never perturb states; for it makes men wary of themselves, as looking no further: and we see the times inclined to atheism (as the time of Augustus Cæsar) were civil times. But superstition hath been the confusion of many states, and bringeth in a new primum mobile, that ravisheth all the spheres of government.

Well the way I read this like during the times of Caesar; people were civil; but superstition created separation between the states of government. Basically meaning: Be careful with this thinking as one would be with superstition.

Also, when talking about sometimes superstition will make a person think only in one way.

But yeah; outward morality, and religion is an inward morality.

 

Let's see:

Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, though religion were not; but superstition dismounts all these, and erecteth an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. Therefore atheism did never perturb states; for it makes men wary of themselves, as looking no further: and we see the times inclined to atheism (as the time of Augustus Cæsar) were civil times. But superstition hath been the confusion of many states, and bringeth in a new primum mobile, that ravisheth all the spheres of government.

Well the way I read this like during the times of Caesar; people were civil; but superstition created separation between the states of government. Basically meaning: Be careful with this thinking as one would be with superstition.

Also, when talking about sometimes superstition will make a person think only in one way.

But yeah; outward morality, and religion is an inward morality.

 

logically, to me personally, no. I can't get there. But I can understand it for others. I have no problem with other people's beliefs. I wouldn't start a thread telling them or proving to them why their belief structure is false. I have no problem with debating bits and pieces, whatever. Do so with a few friends who are religious. I get that some people believe, and have no problem with it. Can see that it makes people happy, so I don't care at all that they do. I understand that they likely feel the same about me as I do about them. I can't fathom the existence of god. Makes no sense to me. I do not believe. And I can't get my mind to see that others do. I know that the absolute reverse is true. When you're certain of that belief in god, and can't fathom how someone doesn't see it.