i just explained this. scientists don't "believe" in natural abiogenesis. they think it is the most probable explanation based on past experience of everything we know about nature having been the result of natural explanation and "goddidit" never once explaining anything. making that probability judgement requires no faith, only common sense. if you don't put your "faith" in knowledge gained from science then i guess you should throw out your smartphone. chuck your TV. never use any modern diagnosis or medicine. never fly. never listen to a weather report etc etc have fun in your cave.
Here's an interesting development. Numbers of atheists have usually been estimated by counting religious people and subtracting their number from the general population, assuming the remainder accounts for all agnostics and atheists. A Canadian study thought to word the questions separately and found a large minority of religious people do not believe god exists. And a lot of non-religious people do believe god exists. For example, a Canadian Ipsos Reid poll released September 12, 2011 entitled "Canadians Split On Whether Religion Does More Harm in the World than Good," sampled 1,129 Canadian adults and came up with some interesting unrelated data on the numbers of declared atheists. These numbers do not jibe with the latest Canadian census data which pre-determined that a religious affiliation predisposed a belief in a deity and was based on a poorly worded question. A quote from the study follows: "The data also revealed some interesting facts about Canadians beliefs: • A majority (53%) of Canadians believe in God. What is of particular interest is that 28% of Protestants, 33% of Catholics, and 23% of those who attend weekly religious services do not. One quarter (23%) of those with no religious identity still believe in God." [6] If 47% of Canadians do not believe in god, as this study suggests, then it brings into question commonly held beliefs on the actual numbers of atheists in Canada and perhaps elsewhere in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
What past experience are you referring to? There is no past experience for anything in evolution because we still haven't proven the theory is even true, much less abiogenesis. What we know about nature says nothing about why it's here. We can learn about it, but that's it. -Klause Dose, considered a foremost expert in biochemistry I never said that. On the contrary, I like science that builds us cool inventions and electronics. I like to play Xbox and use my iphone, I also honor that God has given us the inspiration for healing and medicine. That's what science is to me. I believe true science with the inspiration of God can do many great things, and has for centuries. But the science I don't put faith in is science trying to explain the unexplained and unknowable about the origins of the universe and life, especially when it's attempting to eliminate a creator from the start. Scientists aren't unbiased. If they're persuaded ahead of time that God doesn't exist and then finds any evidence for Him then they'll either start believing in Him or brush it off and hope for something better to show up in the future. Many have done both, and they're imperfect like the rest of us and make mistakes and miscalculations. There is still plenty of phenomena here on earth we can't even explain, I don't think we're ready to move on to the universe just yet. We are but a speck in this massive cosmos, and we cannot and will not know anything of significance about the glorious heavens above that we can only gaze in awe at. Much less how it got here and why. If you want to believe them fine, but 50 years from now all our science books will probably be rewritten just like over the past 500 years, and we'll still be just as ignorant. I believe the Bible because it speaks to me as God's Word and archaeological, historical and geological evidence supports it. There are over 24,000 manuscripts or portions of manuscripts that have been discovered from many regions of the world. The next closest in the ancient world would be Homer's Iliad, which is around 600. These manuscripts back what is written in our current day Bibles, and some date back to very early to the life of Jesus. The new testament is the most documented book in the world and the Bible as a whole was written over about 1,600 years in three different languages and on three different continents and is flawless in what it teaches. Although it was written by over 40 different authors, the same Divine theme is based in all of its books, as if there were only one author. There are over 2,000 fulfilled prophecies in the Bible out of about 2,500, which have yet to be fulfilled. There are strong evidences to the authenticity of the Jesus events and places. I also know Him personally, as He changes my life.
everything that has ever been explained ever. you accept science only selectively. the exact same science that led to the discovery of the quantum mechanical principals on which your iphone relys indicates beyond any reasonable doubt that the earth is 4.55 billions years old and that humans and apes have a common ancestor. blissfully using your iphone, while rejecting the virtually universal scientific consensus of common descent and an old earth, simply because you think what a primitive superstitious human with no understanding of science whatsoever wrote in genesis 1 must for some reason be taken literally word for word, is insane. 40% of scientists believe in god. many of them would love to prove a creator exists if they could, and if anyone did it would be considered the greatest scientific find of all time. they would win multiple nobel prizes. science is not some great anti-god conspiracy. you keep claiming that, and it's moronic. it shows a total misunderstanding of how science even works. it is possible for an INDIVIDUAL scientist to be biased, but the scientific community as a whole is SO diverse, and the nature of the scientific method iself is so perfectly designed to WEED OUT bias, that scientific consensus at the level of common descent or the age of the earth simply cannot emerge from bias. if there actually is evidence for a creator that we can find in abiogenesis or the origin of our universe, the scientific community as a whole WILL find it and they will be honest about it. yeah, the earth will probably turn out to be flat after all. thanks for the sermon.
Great post -- not that it will do much good for this particular case. Like mustard seed on dry, infertile ground...
Yeah I liked it too. How about those Christian scientists that pioneered some of the biggest finds in science? Door swings both ways.
What about them? I've got nothing but respect for the pioneers of scientific thought, regardless of their personal faith. Are you constructing a straw man to demolish?
Thought we weren't gonna use straw man as some argument. I was just saying that both theists and non theists attributed a lot to science. That statement by crow seemed like without those non theists; we would have all these cool things we have today. That is true with both sides of science. Agree?
