prop 8 overruled by 9th court

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  1. The Sebastian Express

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    I haven't had time to respond to your last PM Denny, but please see the difference between hate and ignorance here.
     
  2. Denny Crane

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    A water fountain is a water fountain, whether one kind is for whites only, right? Something "close to, but not exactly the same" simply isn't the same.

    It isn't racial segregation, it's segregation based upon sexual preference. They shouldn't segregate for any reason.

    A marriage can be performed in a church. It can also be performed in a Chinese temple. Why are both those OK? It can also be performed at City Hall, which has nothing to do with religion.

    And most importantly, it's common law that two people who live together and act like they're married are technically married before the law.
     
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    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    Fox News' website =\ Fox News. When you have video of their channel treating this issue with the fact-based news reporting of this article, I'll pay attention.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You have a right to your "morals," but you don't have a right to force them on me or anyone else.

    And TSE is right - your morals sure seem both ignorant and hateful. Tough to sell me on them if that's what they're all about (hate/ignorance).
     
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    Just because you call it something different (civil union) does not mean the protection is not equal/or could not be equal.
     
  6. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    no, just the gradual liberation of what was previously thought of as sexual perversion. as more things become normalized and integrated, people will find new things to "liberate". pedophilia and bestiality...will it be far behind? not saying they're the same thing, but as a society gets more relaxed with their sexual vices, things previously viewed as taboo will have more of an understanding.

    Its just a natural course of human nature.
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    LOL

    I don't expect Hannity to be unbiased about this kind of subject, but then again, he's not a news guy, nor do they claim he is.

    And I just did see this fact-based news reporting on Fox a few minutes ago.
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    Actually, it does. To not allow gay marriage is to discriminate and exclude gay people from marrying.

    It's that simple ;-)
     
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    Its not segregation based on sexual preferences. There are actual biological differences. Its like saying having mens and women's restroom facilities or changing rooms at the swimming pool is similar to what the blacks went through in the 1960s.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    Why do you care about taboo as long as nobody's doing it to you? And nobody is getting hurt?
     
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    yes, pedophilia and bestiality are close behind.
    I would say it's not the opposing marriage, but loosely equating it to pedophilia and bestiality that makes you the homophobic bigot.
    I'm sure the same lame ass slippery slope argument was used when it was still illegal for blacks and whites to marry. that was the beginning of the end. oh no!! Interracial marriage!
     
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    Thought as a sexual perversion in recent times, yes, but not throughout history. Of course we never learn that in schools these days, or it isn't talked about much.

    Natural course of human nature is both the liberation of people and oppressing people. New laws are made and history is rewritten by the victors, forgotten until previously buried information is brought to light. A few words purposefully misinterpreted here and there in books treated as unquestioned truth.

    What better way to keep marginalized groups down than to tell them they've never amounted to anything in history, and their kind has always been thought of as unnatural?
     
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    I actually don't care. To me, it doesn't matter. I just don't like the groupthink on both sides of the equation and there is only one train of thought.
     
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    Like I said, its going to be the natural course of things. Pedophillia has long been historically tolerated, its a function of the taboos of society that make it so. If pedophilia was not outlawed, I believe it would be common practice in society. Its just a matter of perspective.
     
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    You've just hit the issue on the head without even realizing it: the distinction between the actual news reporting and the "talking-head opinion segments" on Fox News has become blurred to the point of incomprehension. Actual news reporting is almost immediately followed by some right-wing nutjob "explaining the issue" to the viewer, in effect telling them how to absorb the information. And the sheeple just eat it up because it's easier than actually thinking.
     
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    The taco shop across the street has one bathroom, shared by men and women (one at a time, of course).

    And as far as bathrooms and showers go, you've probably peed next to a gay guy and showered in front of many in your day. Segregated bathrooms aren't the panacea you might think.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    I've had gay roomates in college. Its not that big of a deal to me. But you have to realize there are differences between the sexes. Its just not sexual preferences that are different, men and women are different biologically and you just can't treat them the same, otherwise I'd be at the rec center taking showers in the women's locker room.
     
  19. EL PRESIDENTE

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    are you talking about pedophiles?
     
  20. Denny Crane

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    I know the difference between a Hannity or Bill Maher or Jon Daily and the actual news people who do reports every 15 minutes.

    I also know the difference between Fox, which has actual news on it at least some of the time, and MSNBC which has no actual reporters.
     

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