Born Gay? Legit or not.

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  1. crowTrobot

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    there is evidence that susceptibility to it is tied to certain types of brain structure, so in that sense yes. presumably there isn't a "pedophile gene", just like homosexuality doesn't have to be tied to one specific gene to stem from genetics. it's more likely something that results from an overall makeup.
     
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    neither would homosexuality if it happens to be carried recessively.

    i'm not claiming to know what actually causes it, just pointing out the flaw in your argument.
     
  3. RR7

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    wow
     
  4. JETBlack

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    You use the word choose a lot in trying to tell me that there is no choice involved. Getting involved with someone is a choice so there goes your theory. People can do whatever they want, no one forces anything on you. In the end it is your choice. Is a guy that thinks about stealing a car a thief even if he doesn't do it? There is an action required and that is the choice. People get tempted with different things, it's what we choose to follow that condemns us.
     
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    Based upon my beliefs, strictly a choice, therefore non-legit.
     
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    Paps... Tell me why I'm not shocked by this.
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    Love your honesty.
     
  7. The Sebastian Express

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    Oh honey, you're so wrong. It's sad.

    There is only choice in choosing to repress it. I did not choose to be gay. I can choose to sleep with a woman or not, yes, but that (despite your best wishes to hope it were true) does not erase the fact that I am sexually attracted to women and not men; something which I did not choose.

    Your "red hair doesn't stop you from procreating" argument is a funny one. I always enjoy this particular argument from hateful people like yourself. I guess we should just condemn all those straight people who aren't fertile and are incapable of procreating. WHY DID YOU MAKE THEM GOD? I bet they chose this, tbh.


    Despite all you want to believe, all you wish to be true, you cannot pray away the gay. It is still there. It is not a choice. I did not wake up one morning and go "Fuck man I hate the heteronormative society we live in, I think I'll rock its very foundation and invite death threats, as well as all manners of dehumanizing name-calling and harassment, and choose to be gay. Fuck yeah, hate cocks now, love the titties.". Doesn't work like that, sorry.

    I did however choose the snazzy finger snapping I was doing while typing this. (Maybe you can convince yourself it is one of those perks they get us with on 'signup', like a TOASTER. Cause we love us some warm bread).
     
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    JET... Why don't you start by telling us your story and when you knew??
     
  9. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    Well, hell, that's scientific. Why didn't you say so in the first place? CASE CLOSED.
     
  10. ABM

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    I'm not really following here...what precisely did JET say that makes him a hateful person?
     
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    What case? That I have personal convictions?
     
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    Personally, I think this argument can go both ways. I know people who were by the older family members and theyre gay. In cannot say for sure, but in wouldn't be shocked if the abuse was somehow correlated. And I have friends that I grew up with that showed obvious tendencies at a very young age, but they had a similar upbringing to me. I love my friends regardless, and why this matters, why its a debate, why people are judged on this..... Its far beyond me. Like with racism.... Bigots who fear those who are different, or are scared to admit that, they too, are different.
     
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    The gay people I know tell me that when they hit puberty, the pictures in Playgirl turned them on, but not the ones in Playboy. Sure seems they are born that way. There were no environmental reasons to choose to be gay, the opposite is true.

    A gay man might marry and have children for all sorts of reasons. Like they want to have children.... Duh! Or they fear being discriminated against in employment or housing. Or their parents might disown them if they came out.

    I had known this one fellow for 10 years. He got some virus on his computer and asked my help fixing it. While I was working on his machine, I found a bunch of gay porn files. He looked at me like I found out his big secret, which I did... I thought about it for about 2 seconds. You see, he was my friend yesterday, he's still the same person I always knew, so why should I want to stop being his friend? We are still friends to this day, and he's still a good guy. The kicker is I was actually mad at him. He lied to me for 10 years. He didn't trust me with his secret.

    A few years later, he meets this guy who did landscaping at his place. They became friends and hung out, etc. when my friend came out to him, he bolted and never came back. I pretty much got why he isn't so openly gay.

    Hey TSE, I don't like dick either. I didn't consciously choose to be like this. I am what I am, and I'm comfortable in my own skin. Enough so that what other people do doesn't diminish me.

    I am a proud lesbian! (male)
     
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    To act like it's a choice, when every gay person you hear tells you it's not a choice, seem pretty close-minded to me.
     
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    My beliefs say yep. We are all born sinners! :D
     
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    I think Denny states the "choice" fallacy pretty clearly. People don't choose to be threatened. People don't choose to not have kids naturally. The gene(s) could easily be recessive and by having say a gay uncle that does not have to support his own children, but helps to support his nephews and nieces, suddenly that family has 3 parents caring for it. There are clearly gay people in history and modern times that have children to hide their homosexuality, thus they are directly procreating. There have been studies that suggest that all children after the first are more likely to be homosexual based on data on birth order.

    The pedophilia thing to me is more likely based on abuse. It is also a fetish. Once someone develops a fetish, which can arise from various things, it is difficult for that fetish to go away. Why do some men fixate asian women? why do some people get off on midgets or feet or S&M or ... the list goes on and on.
     
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    Speak for yourself, Mags. We know you are. We saw the (before) pictures!
     
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    I had never had thought you were gay....that is, until you became a mod on S2.
     

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