How much do you guys use this to measure a player's value? What is lacking in judging players when using this formula? There are a few on here who constantly hate on Nic but when you look at Nic's PER ratings they are very impressive. I think if he got more time, his PER would go up even more! Right now the following players are the only SF ranked higher then him.......... 1- Lebron.....31.85 2- Durant.....26.37 3- Carmelo...20.34 4- Gallinari...20.02 5- Pierce......19.77 6- Iguodala..18.76 Nic is at 18.72 Curious what this means. Is he an ABOVE average SF? Gerald Wallace is at #19 at 15.49! It loses some credibility when players like Corey Brewer, Steve Novak, Jared Dudley and T-Mac are rated higher then Wallace. Just wondering what you guys thought. I'm a huge Nic fan and think he is only going to get better!
People have always put a lot of weight into PER on these boards. That, of course, unless it goes against their argument. Then they just throw it out. Its the best way of judging a players contribution to the game offensively. If Batum's D could be tied into his PER it would be even higher. Isn't it funny how those guys are all AS caliber players, Nic hanging right there with em. "SMH" With guys like Brewer and Novak you have to take into consideration how many minutes those guys are getting.
Nic is up there with LeBron on swattin' shots from behind. If it factored in D, he would be higher! I believe only 'Bron and Igoudala are better on the ball defenders then him on that list, maybe just James.
Minutes played and USG% must be considered when assessing PER. For starting-level players, I don't think there is a better comparative tool in terms of offense, but only if you take USG% into account as well. For bench players, you'll see more a a variance, because bench players are typically playing fewer minutes, but are coached into a more efficient role, based on their skills. Also, as noted, defense isn't really factored into the PER equation, at least by any effective measure.
purely defensive players like bruce bowen (who play lock down d, but do not accumulate alot of blocks or steals) cant really be evaluated using per, as far as their total games go. but you can still use it to evaluate their offense. and papag, is there a definitive sweet spot for usage, compared to per in your opinion? jordan led the league in usage AND per in 6 different seasons.
Nic is actually awesome in USG/PER, and always has been. One of the best in the NBA for players over the past 4 years with a cumulative PER over 15. His WS/48 this year is also incredible. He probably should play more, but it would have to be for Wallace, because Nic isn't a SG.
Papa, do you honestly think Nic couldn't handle playing 35 minutes at the 2? He would have NO problem guarding the opposing teams starting shooting guard if you ask me. Start Nic at the SG and he will thrive!
Nic defends the two better than Wesley, he shoots the ball better than Wesley, he passes better than Wesley (especially on the post-entry), he even drives better than Wesley. Why he doesn't start over Wesley is probably because he doesn't "scrap" like Wesley.
He probably doesn't start over Wesley because he has trouble at SG. Of course, I'm sure you know better. Let's take a look at the efficiencies again, or are you just going to continue to ignore it.
Perhaps, but has Nic really played SG? Throwing him at that spot without practicing there in the offense seems unfair to him, doesn't it?
The SG in Nate's offense spots up for jumpers at the top of the key, rather than in the corner like a SF. But in all seriousness, I wish we could see more of Nic in this role. I have a hard time believing he couldn't outperform Wes at this point, regardless of where he has been practicing.
