Trading for Steve Nash doesn't make any sense. The guy is 38. Our team isn't THAT good, and giving up cap space to essentially put together a team that will (at the most) make it to the WCF is just stupid. What about the Celtics? Their window seems like it has closed, or is very nearly closed, and we have some pretty solid vets that we could deal them that would jar the window back open for at least one more or two more years. I'm not sure what they value right now, but I'd send Wallace, Felton, Crawford, and possibly Camby for Rondo, Jermaine, Wilcox, and whatever other garbage they want to move. Wallace, Felton, and Crawford account for about 23 million. Rondo, Jermaine, and Wilcox account for 19 million, so a couple other scrubs would have to be included. This would give Boston a lineup of Felton Allen Pierce Wallace Garnett with Crawford coming off the bench. That's with the assumption that Boston wants to give it one more go. If not, and they want to just let KG and Allen go, then they probably won't deal Rondo for anything but picks and young talent.
The reason why I wouldn't do that is because with our lack of overall talent Batum is an essential part of our rebuilding. I'd part with Matthews long before Batum. I also think there are a few better ways to obtain a decent PG without losing Batum.
Well obviously you would part with Matthews before Batum. The Celtics wouldn't go for it, though. They would want Batum. And I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not sure why someone wouldn't to be honest. Rondo is one of the true PG's in the NBA and plays both sides of the floor.
And that's fine, but do you think a team with Steve Nash could beat the Heat? Or the Thunder? Because it really doesn't matter to me if we can't win it all, and if that's the case, why trade for a 38 year old point guard and mortgage our future? I would much rather try to obtain another All-Star caliber player in his 20s to pair with LMA. I guess the biggest question about this idea is whether Boston is good enough to contend with the big three AND Wallace, Felton, Crawford. I think that team gets to the ECF, but I don't know if they beat Miami.
Boston's big 3 are in rapid decline because of old age. Why in the hell would they trade their only young piece that's worth a damn? These Rondo trades are unrealistic to me. Someone please give me a reason why boston would legitimately move rondo for assets that we have
Our owner says, Nate I have had cancer several times and don't agree. I want to make moves to take the current core as far as they can go however far that is.
This team won't be in Portland much longer, and PA has proven he lacks the discipline and patience to ever rebuild a team through youth. I say make the trades, spend the cash, get us a second title and call it good.
Boston is going to have roughly 24 million under the cap to spend this offseason. KG and Ray Allen are expiring, as well as most of the rest of their roster. Ainge is clearly making a play for Dwight. They aren't moving an elite young PG for a bunch of shit. They're going to try to sell Dwight on playing with Rondo for the next decade in addition to contending immediately with Pierce under contract and (they hope) KG and/or Allen re-signing at a discounted rate. If they don't land him then they can just look at moving Rondo in the offseason, perhaps signing Deron Williams to replace him.
I'm willing to bet, with KG and Allen most likely gone, that Boston doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of signing Dwight. They've got about as good a shot at signing him as the Blazers do. If Garnett and Allen are gone, the team will be in rebuilding mode and will most likely try to deal Pierce too. They might be able to make a big push for Williams, but I suspect Deron will go to Dallas if he ends up leaving the Nets. Boston is fucked. They will be going back to what things were like before Garnett and I suspect Ainge/Doc Rivers will be fired within a year or two. Let's not forget: Ainge was handed Garnett on a silver platter and he dealt a lottery pick for an aging Allen. This is also the guy who traded a lottery pick for Sebastian freaking Telfair. If he hadn't lucked into KG, that team wouldn't have won shit and he would have been fired within a year or two. With Garnett and Allen set to leave, they've got maybe one more shot at a championship. That was the only reason why I proposed a deal that would get them Wallace and Crawford, with Felton who may or may not do better with a change of scenery. If it's not enough to get Rondo, so be it. It was a shot in the dark. Boston will not get Deron or Dwight. I guarantee that. Rajon Rondo is not enough to convince Dwight Howard to play in Boston. Dwight will either stay in Orlando or will go to LA. Deron will most likely sign with a team like Dallas.
Are you serious? Making the WCF would be the most fun we've had in years. And as for Boston, lots of people thought they were stupid for getting older with KG and Allen and not one writer on ESPN.com picked them to win the title, but they did. Getting Nash hardly guarantees a title, but it would mean we have a chance. You might think it's a long shot, but did you give Dallas a shot in hell last year at this time when they were in a 6 game losing streak, the Lakers were two time defending champs, and Miami was heating up?
Dallas had a hell of a lot more weapons than we have right now. Aldridge, as much as I love his game, is not Dirk. Not even Dirk at this age. Boston got KG at the very end of his prime, Allen at the very end of his prime, and Pierce at the peak of his prime. The reason why most people didn't think they'd win it all was because it didn't appear as if they had any bench. Rondo turned out to be a star and they actually had some pretty decent talent on their bench after all. We don't have that. We don't have three future HOFers on this roster. Adding Nash would give us one future HOFer, and unlike you I would rather keep Batum and try to use our cap space on adding a third talented young player this offseason. I don't see the point in trading Batum for maybe half of one year of Nash. It doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe if we had Roy and a healthy Oden. Only then would I say, fuck it, let's go for broke.
Dallas had one All Star and Dirk was the only consistent high level scorer in their STARTING LINEUP. We could lock up Nash for two to three years. I don't see any difference maker who we can realistically sign with our capspace. When you get a chance with Nash who sees us as a "terrific situation" for him, you take it. OR you can continue to be mediocre or worse for the next ten years.
Ainge didn't "luck" into anything. This is his M.O. He goes for the homerun on superstar players because thats what wins championships and that is all that matters in Boston. He set up the Ray Allen deal to expire the same time as the KG extension. He gets in on the action where ever he can. Didn't work out with trading for CP3, now hes a darkhorse for Dwight/Deron, but hes in the race. If those fall by the wayside then start over, tank, get a new crop of young talented players and trade all their asses for another superstar. KG on a silver platter? He put out the best deal available to Minny because he had stockpiled a bunch of young talent and he wasn't afraid to move them. Who could have beaten Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, and a couple first rounders at the time of that trade? You think he regrets moving all those losers for KG? And a lottery pick that ended up being Jeff Green for Ray Allen. He murdered in both of those trades because young prospects have incredible value in the NBA. He got a ring out of it, what did Minny and Seattle/OKC get from those moves? I don't think Ainge is a genius. But he knows that its his job to win rings and he does what it takes to get them. He puts himself in position to land the big fish over and over and over. Like I said, he missed on CP3 but LAC almost shit the bed on that one. He's got a shot at Dwight and Deron. And come the next superstar on the way out of their respective team he'll be in on that as well. There's a reason Boston and LA win so many godamn rings. Mark Cuban didn't let Tyson Chandler go because he couldn't afford to pay the dude. Ainge, Pat Riley, Buss, and Jerry West before him are all trying to get the proven talents of the league. They'll risk a lot to land the real championship winners and they'll continue to be winning championships for the forseeable future. Even if it means dumping the Tyson Chandlers, Lamar Odoms, Michael Beasleys, Kendrick Perkins's and sacrificing a year or two of contention.
