the us helped them develop that very mustard gas, and please denny, why would he give wmd's to people who wanted to destroy him? this should be good. so, wasnt the usa his friend too then? weak dude is it? is the world a better place than it was 8 years ago? are the millions of people killed in the war LESS than the amount saddam would have killed? is their new government going to be better than their old one? wtf man, where are you getting this from
The US didn't help them develop mustard gas, sarin, or the VX nerve gas they used. Doctors without borders (or a similar organization) analyzed soil samples and found the chemical process used to make the gases were German or Russian techniques. Google "Riegle Report" and read it. It was a Democrat controlled committee that looked into what kinds of WMDs we might have helped Saddam acquire - and it found ZERO gas type sales to Iraq, but did find biological precursors like anthrax sold to Iraqi universities and medical facilities. Yes, the world is a better place. Yes, their government, so far, has been a good actor on the world stage. There were less people killed in the "war" (occupation, civil war) than Saddam killed over the previous four years. Your "millions" figure is grossly exaggerated: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ IRAQ BODY COUNT Documented civilian deaths from violence 105,530 – 115,259 Full analysis of the WikiLeaks' Iraq War Logs may add 13,750 civilian deaths. http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/iraq/sanctions.html After the Gulf War, the United Nations imposed strict economic sanctions on Iraq that critics charge have led to the deaths of more than a million people -- the majority of them children. Saddam Hussein claims the deaths are in excess of one and a half million. Citing information on maternal and child mortality rates collected by UNICEF, Professor Richard Garfield estimates that between 1991 and 2002, the number of excess deaths in Iraq among children under age 5 is 343,900 to 525,400. --- This is just children under the age of 5. Adding the adults who "disappeared" after being taken away by Saddam's goons is another large number.
this has been hashed and rehashed, i could show you a link that quadruples that number, and i could show you a link that halves it, nothing new there, i would say 130k is on the low side though you say there were "only" 130,000 CIVILLIAN deaths (soldiers lives count too do they not?) because we invaded them. like that is something to be proud of...and im pretty sure the us had alot to do with the sanctions in the first place "hey kiddos! sorry about starving you all to death, now we are going to kill you with bullets! youre welcome" but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so i guess that means that al queda is our friend
We armed them when the Russians invaded Afghanistan in the '70s. They were the enemy of our enemy. I can think of other examples, like Iran-Contra. How many soldiers do you think we're killed? Maybe 10,000 with the rest taking off their uniforms and hiding among the civilian population. Iraq Body Count has one agenda - to document the actual dead bodies.
Any delays in Bush's rush to war were forced upon him. He was eager for blood and fought every delay in his rush to war. Meanwhile the controlled mass media intimidated the majority of Americans, who were against starting the war. In my city, people crowded onto freeway overpasses for months, holding signs that I could barely read as I drove underneath. The rush to war was a relentless push to kill a million Iraqis. Denny, you say you were only for the initial invasion, a mass murder of a hundred thousand, but that you were against the subsequent purge of Baathists and their religious opponents, which killed another million (including non-combat deaths from effects of war). But you should have known that both stages were required to prevent a new anti-American government. You can't honestly say you're for the former stage without the latter.
No, they were our enemy. The enemy of that enemy was Al Qaeda and we helped Al Qaeda. Iran was our enemy, too, after they took our workers at the embassy there hostage. And we helped their enemy, Saddam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda U.S. government financial support for the Afghan Islamic militants was substantial. Aid to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghan mujahideen leader. and founder and leader of the Hezb-e Islami radical Islamic militant faction, alone amounted "by the most conservative estimates" to $600 million. Later, Hekmatyar "worked closely" with bin Laden in the early 1990s, when US support had ceased.[79] In addition to hundreds of millions of dollars of American aid, Hekmatyar also received the lion's share of aid from the Saudis.[80] There is evidence that the CIA supported Hekmatyar's drug trade activities by giving him immunity for his opium trafficking that financed operation of his militant faction.[81] The MAK and foreign mujahideen volunteers, or "Afghan Arabs," did not play a major role in the war. While over 250,000 Afghan mujahideen fought the Soviets and the communist Afghan government, it is estimated that were never more than 2,000 foreign mujahideen in the field at any one time.[82] Nonetheless, foreign mujahideen volunteers came from 43 countries, and the total number that participated in the Afghan movement between 1982 and 1992 is reported to have been 35,000.[83] Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers.[84][85] The Soviet Union finally withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989. To the surprise of many, Mohammad Najibullah's communist Afghan government hung on for three more years, before being overrun by elements of the mujahideen. With mujahideen leaders unable to agree on a structure for governance, chaos ensued, with constantly reorganizing alliances fighting for control of ill-defined territories, leaving the country devastated.
Why don't you throw out even more ridiculous numbers? And I don't care who the Iraqis figured out to make their government. We won the war in a few short weeks, and we should have left. End of story. Bush got re-elected by a wider margin than the first time. LBJ was so disgraced and the anti-war effort so strong, he refused to run again.
oh for fucks sake...you dont need to copy and paste wikipedia denny the point was, al qaeda was saddams enemy, thus, our friend, no?
The mission was accomplished. Saddam's regime was toast, his army defeated. We brought home over 100,000 troops shortly after that. Though "mission accomplished" was never in Bush's speech, rather he said "Our mission continues...The War on Terror continues, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide."
that is just plain wrong, they threatened his power in iraq. al qaeda did have a presence in iraq, just as they do here, maybe we should invade ourselves! Pentagon: No Saddam-Al Qaeda Link
i dont feel like sorting through the 9 million google hits, so how about a us senate select commitee intelligence report so, saddam just wanted them hunted down and killed, not really their "enemy" though
lol they actually mention the "enemies of enemies" argument in the report, and not in the way you are thinking
Yes they use the enemies of enemies term in the way I am thinking. I remember in the news there were terrorist training camps found in northern Iraq. Saddam also paid Hamas homicide bombers' families $25,000 to encourage terrorist attacks.
Yes they use the enemies of enemies term in the way I am thinking. I remember in the news there were terrorist training camps found in northern Iraq. Saddam also paid Hamas homicide bombers' families $25,000 to encourage terrorist attacks.
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