PA should throw ridiculous money at Thibodeau

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    He DOES have a shit roster - when Rose is out. And he still wins with it. (I know Denny is playing up the all-star credentials of Boozer, Deng and Noah, but they only have those credentials now because of Thibodeau. The latter two weren't looking so great under Del Negro, were they?

    This should be the place where it pays off to have a rich owner. Thibodeau and Donny Walsh, please Paul.
     
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    Yes, Deng and Noah did great with Vinnie as coach. Along with those 2, Rose and Gordon were a top 3 back court pair.
     
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    But the Bulls were solidly mediocre. Around Hawks/Pacers/Bucks level. So there's a limit to how "great" they could have been. When Thibodeau came aboard they leaped into contender status.

    I agree that the Blazers don't have the most enticing roster. Maybe if the Knicks came calling he'd prefer there. But if he wanted to get rich and basically own a town, the Blazers would be a solid choice. We could even let him choose the GM!
     
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    Rose took a big step up in his game. That last season with Vinnie, he was a sieve on defense and put up just an 18.6 PER. The team was in the process of dumping salaries to attempt to sign 2 MAX UFAs. They were carrying guys like Brad Miller, Jerome James, and Tim Thomas on the roster; only Miller had any somewhat positive effect playing in games. And they didn't have Boozer, Noah missed 18 games, Deng missed 12, Kirk Hinrich was their starting 2 guard (he sucks!). They let their leading scorer (Ben Gordon) walk to save cap space.

    They also took defending champs Boston Celtics to 7 games in the 1st round of the playoffs in one of the greatest series ever the season before that.

    Thibs took over the team with a very different roster. Added were Boozer, Asik, Brewer, Korver, and Watson. Boozer being the PF type the Bulls seriously needed (the fools traded LMA for Tyrus Thomas). Asik, Brewer, Korver, and Watson all adding serious depth to the team.

    I'm not downplaying Thibs' coaching, as it has clearly been terrific. The Bulls are fools to even be messing with his extension. The guy's 54 years old, and should retire at a much older age as their coach.
     
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    Yet, none of those guys are on par with the second fiddle players of other good NBA teams. Durant has Westbrook and Harden. Lebron has Wade and Bosh. Kobe has Pau and Bynum. Paul has Griffin. Rose has Boozer and Deng, whoopdie doo.

    Those guys aren't stars.
     
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    I think OKC is the favorite. The Bulls 2 thru 6 are better than Miami 3 thru 7.

    Bosh's PER is 18.6, and Boozer's numbers (per 36) are better than all but a few PFs, including Bosh.

    Deng is the #2 option on the team, with 13.9 FGA/game.

    The Bulls have terrific depth, with Taj Gibson and Asik at the bigs positions, too.

    The Bulls didn't beat Miami last year, and probably won't this year. However, they do have the best record in the league so they must have players that can win the most regular season games.

    Whoopdie doo all you want. The record speaks for itself.
     
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    lol, do you even know what your arguing?

    My premise was that Thibodeau is a great coach because he can win with not that much talent. They have the best record in the league despite their only true star missing most the season.

    If you think that Boozer and Deng are on par with those other guys I mentioned, I don't know what to tell you.

    The Bulls win because they share the ball and play great defense. Not because they have guys (outside of Rose) who can just take over a game.
     
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    Where has Thibs won without much talent? His only championship, I think, was with the Celtics as an assistant. And they had 3 future hall of famers.

    No, the Bulls don't have another player besides Rose who can take over a game. That's what killed their chances last season and will this.

    Without Boozer, the team was a .500 team. He's obviously made a pretty big difference. The attention he draws, the picks he sets, the rebounds he grabs (end opponents' possessions) have a huge effect on the team's record.

    Thibs plays Deng 39 MPG, and that's down from earlier when he was playing 42+. He must suck. Too bad he's not as good as... Batum or Matthews, eh?
     
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  9. MickZagger

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    lol, lets resort to strawmans.
     
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    It's then pointed out to you that Thibideau coaches the NBA MVP (Rose), two Team USA players (Rose and Boozer), and another All-Star (Luol Deng), and a 2nd-team All-Defensive player (Noah).

    You're acting like Boozer, Deng, and Noah are garbage, when they're clearly some of the better 2nd and 3rd options in the NBA. As also pointed out to you, Del Negro wasn't working with the same team, either.
     
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    I don't care about tempo/pace. I care about ball movement/player movement. Too many years listening to Steve Jones? :)
     
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    he has an option year after this season, so we basically have no chance at signing him, unless the Bulls inexplicably let him go.
     
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  13. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Anyone know Frank Vogel's contract status? I REALLY enjoyed the Bulls/Pacers series last season. Watching the two teams go head to head and both coaches make adjustments and counter-adjustments was great basketball. I also enjoyed the interviews with both coaches after the games. It was obvious these are two very sharp basketball minds. The Pacers don't have a superstar, but are 10 games over .500 and only 1/2 a game out of the 3rd seed in the East.

    BNM
     
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    I want Pops. If PA is going to throw out huge bucks - then pursue the best coach in the league.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I doubt if he'd ever leave the Spurs, or they'd let him leave. They'd probably offer him part ownership of the team before they'd let him walk.

    His lead assistant Budenholzer would be a good choice, though.

    It cracks me up how many people didn't want to fire Nate because there weren't any better options available. Even ignoring the guys in this thread, who are still under contract, there are a ton of former coaches (Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Jeff Van Gundy, etc.), assistant coaches, European coaches, WNBA coahes (Laimbeer), etc. available, and that's without even dipping down into the college ranks. The idea that NONE of these options are better than Nate is ridiculous. Heck Skippy the unpaid video intern has the team, minus Wallace and Camby, winning at the same rate Nate did.

    BNM
     
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  16. MickZagger

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    K, if were going to play that game you're acting like Thibodeau isn't a good coach. When clearly his team defense numbers and win/loss record indicate otherwise.

    I'd take the supporting cast of all those teams that I mentioned and you'd be a fool if you thought otherwise.
     
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    Rose has missed 11 straight games? The bulls are 6-4 the last 10.
     
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    It says a lot about how good of a coach Thibs is. Defense and ball movement wins.
     
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    Four guys with 17+ PER, two over 20, and the MVP and defense wins regular season games.

    The bulls are 4th in ORtg and 3rd in DRtg. Balance!

    They're also 1st in point differential, and that's what wins games.
     
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    Look, your arguing something that I'm not arguing. Boozer is far from being the go to scorer that he once was, Deng has always been a 3rd, or 4th option offensively.

    Thib's is a great coach, you won't find a bigger fan. He does more with less talent than a lot of other coaches in the league.
     
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