June tells me I was hard on the Beaver yesterday, so I want to state that I think that Masbee and PapaG are fine, honorable, and smart.
I usually try to be nice on this board. On a Democrats board I'd probably go Olberman, but here I should stay subtle.
I actually agreed with you on most points. But I still Obama is a terrible president. And I think he's created this crazy speculation by letting people think he wasn't born here when it's been to his benefit.
He's probably happy to have people focus on this because it takes away from anything they should actually criticize him on. So as opposed to attacking any sort of policy, they ask if he was born here, which makes them sound a little crazier than if they just said the economy sucks or something. So the louder that voice gets of the birthers, the mroe it drowns out legitimate issues, which makes a 2012 win easier for Obama.
Exactly. He's been using this whole "is he/is he not" debate through his entire rise through the political system. As for a win in 2012..... could it get much easier? I mean, sure, Obama can continue to shoot himself in the foot over and over, but does anyone really think Romney has a shot at winning election? I mean, I can't understand how ANYONE voted for Obama (couldn't understand with Bush, either), but I really don't see how Romney has a shot.
Somebody wake up the realists. Obama hasn't reversed the Bush evils, but every time I want him out, I look at the clowns who would replace him and I realize that in this excuse for a democracy, Obama's the best we're going to get.
And that's a sad, sad thing. Like I said before, I hate Obama and think he's a terrible, terrible president (I'd even go so far as to say he's the anti-Christ). It's just even sadder that the Republicans could not even present the US with a more formidable candidate than Romney. As for your article.... the dude in AZ is going on his hunt because of the requests of 1200 people? No, I think he's making a stand against Obama because of the Feds' involvement in the laws AZ has established. He's just a person with a little bit of power and notoriety who personally is trying to take on Obama. It'll get him some press, and it'll win him some votes (especially since it is AZ). But I'll sure find it funny if the same people who are demanding fiscal responsibility from their government vote for a guy who is wasting taxpayer dollars on this whole situation, traveling to Hawaii, just wasting resources (time and money) on a wild goose chase.
Romney definitely has a shot. He will raise as much money as Obama, if not more, and the super PACs will far outraise democrats. And http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/05/23/romney_leads_obama_in_florida_114250.html Poll: Romney Leads Obama in Florida Mitt Romney leads Barack Obama by six points in the key battleground state of Florida, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday. Romney attracts 47 percent of the support from registered voters, while Obama garners 41 percent. Having Florida U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio on the ticket would give the GOP nominee just a two-point boost, while it would have no impact on the president’s standing. In a Quinnipiac poll released earlier this month, Romney led Obama by just one point. The president is getting marginal grades from Florida voters: 52 percent disapprove of the way he is handling his job, while 44 percent approve. Notably, by that same margin, voters there do not believe Obama deserves re-election. Fifty-six percent of independents give him a poor grade, while 39 percent say he is doing a fine job. And 54 percent of independent voters don’t think the president has earned a second term while 41 percent think he has. When it comes to the economy, 50 percent of voters find Romney best equipped to handle the situation while 40 percent pick Obama. Florida voters appear to have a more favorable impression of Romney than they do of Obama. Fifty percent dislike the president while 45 percent have a favorable opinion of him. Thirty-five percent dislike Romney while 44 percent view him favorably, though 19 percent say they haven’t heard enough about him to make a decision. The former Massachusetts governor leads among independent voters here, 44 percent to 36 percent. The two rivals run about even with each other among women voters, though Obama holds a one-point edge. Romney leads significantly among men, 50 percent to 37 percent. Notably, though, Obama holds only a two-point edge over Romney among Hispanic voters, receiving 42 percent of the support. Republicans need to narrow the near 2-to-1 Latino gap from four years ago to be successful in November. Both the Obama campaign and the RNC have grass-roots efforts in place to attract Hispanic voters. Romney leads among voters over the age of 55 by 12 points, attracting 51 percent of the support. Obama leads among voters under the age of 34 by 11 points. Romney edges Obama by four points among voters 35-54 years of age.
Denny, I'll believe it when I see it. I'd like to see anyone but Obama in office, but when it comes down to voting time, I just don't believe Romney has a chance. As for the article calling Florida a "key battleground state" - I see that about 15 states every election. Of course, in 2000, Florida truly was.
Florida is so key a state, Romney has near zero chance if he doesn't win it. That said, I think he is going to win it (Obama won it in 2008), and quite a few other states that went Obama and have gone for republicans previously. Florida is 29 electoral votes. In the national polls, Obama is up 1.7, according to the RCP average (which I don't particularly like, but...) Charlie Cooke, who I do respect, has his electoral college scoreboard: http://cookpolitical.com/charts/president/ev_scorecard_2012-05-10_07-21-09.php Obama 192, Romney 191 among the likely or strongly one way or the other states. Obama 227, Romney 210 counting the leaners. And Florida is a toss-up. Put Florida in Romney's column, and it's 227-239. One of Ohio or Pennsylvania, and I think he wins a close electoral college. By close, I mean neither candidate gets 300+ EVs like last time.
I respect him too, but I think he's a bit too cautious. For example, until recently he had Oregon in the 'likely Dem' column instead of the 'no fucking hope for Romney' column. Like pretty much everyone, he's got a stake in making the race appear closer than it really is. barfo
Everyone I know 30 or so and younger will vote Obama. Most everyone I know above that says they won't vote Obama, but I can't see them voting Romney. Still a win for O.
Most people 30 and under don't actually go out and vote. Most people above do. What was remarkable about Obama's 2008 win was how he was able to motivate the younger voters to go out and vote. I don't see him being able to motivate anyone to do much of anything on his behalf - only those who have an actual vested interest (like a quid pro quo kind of payoff).
No, I totally know. I was just making a comment based on a small part of the population - people I know that live in Oregon. I just think it's interesting, how everyone I know was so pro-Obama in 2008. He got a lot of people I know interested in voting. Now, most of the them don't care, as they feel Obama has let them down - they say if they vote, they'll have to go with Obama. But like you said, it was remarkable how he was able to get the young vote out to vote for that election. Now, they're saying Obama holds an edge in 3 key states (again, like I said earlier... funny how so many states become "key" states): Florida, Virginia, and Ohio.
