Sporting News: Blazers will take Beal and Zeller

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  1. Shooter

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    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/sto...hornets-bobcats-anthony-davis-thomas-robinson
     
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    I really hope we don't waste a pick on Zeller.
     
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    Seconded, after hearing HCP and Mm complain enough, I think he's a reserve C at best.
     
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    Just have to look at history... how many white centers taken in the lottery have been good in the past 10 or 15 years?
     
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    Well that shouldn't be the determining factor. Maybe a hint, but not the evidence that convicts him of mediocrity.
     
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    Sometimes you just don't mess with the gods. Maybe if KP had ignored all of the hype surrounding Oden and looked at our history, he would have chosen Durant over Oden.
     
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    this is on the same lines as MM not wanting Waiters because he's from the Cuse
     
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    No it's not. Good players can come from any college, but seriously how many good white centers have been drafted in the lottery over the last 15 or so years? Przybilla? Bogut? How many have been All-Stars? Why waste a lottery pick on a guy who has almost zero chance of becoming a very good player?
     
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    Yuck. Next mock, please.
     
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    No thanks on Zeller. Heard he didn't wow many out at the PF. They won't waste a lottery pick on him. Imagine if this Zeller guy had gone to Syracuse?
     
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    Kaman, Lopez, Gasol, and if you go into tall PF range too there are quite a few. I think there are a lot of good examples. What good Black centers have been drafted in the last 15 years? Dwight Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, and Shaq? It's not like there is a long list of them. How many whiffs have there been of Black centers or just centers in general? Now Zeller may not be the pick and could be the second coming of Eric Montross, but I don't think race is the issue. It's the athleticism.
     
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    sounds pretty similar to me
     
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    You have some Latin players in there my amigo.
     
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    +1!
     
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    I doubt it. Latins are only good at soccer. :D

    Is Nene latin or black?
     
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    I think Dave Chappelle's draft would clear everything up
     
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    latin
     
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    Isn't Carmelo Anthony from Syracuse?

    With centers a lot of teams take the you can't teach height attitude. It seems any 7-footer with even minimal skills will get a look. So the Warriors preferred Todd Fuller to Kobe Bryant.

    Pau Gasol is an international player so he wouldn't count as US white center.

    Latin players? Mark Aguirre, Nene, Manu Ginobili (or do you count him as Italian), Luis Scola, Anderson Varejao, Thiago Splitter, Carlos Arroyo

    If you count Spanish as Latino you get even more. Happy, HCP?
     
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    White centers taken in the lottery since 1995

    1995
    Bryant Reeves #6
    Cherokee Parks #12

    1996
    Todd Fuller #11
    Vitaly Potapenko #12

    1997
    No white centers

    1998
    Raef LaFrentz #3
    Michael Doleac #12

    1999
    Alek Redojevic #12

    2000
    Chris Mihm #7
    Joel Przybilla #9

    2001
    Pau Gasol #3

    2002
    No white centers

    2003
    Darko Milicic #2
    Chris Kaman #6

    2004
    Rafael Araujo #8
    Andris Biedrins #11
    Robert Swift #12

    2005
    Andrew Bogut #1

    2006
    No white centers

    2007
    Spencer Hawes #10

    2008
    Brook Lopez #10 (he's kinda white)

    2009
    No white centers

    2010
    Cole Aldrich #11

    2011
    Enes Kanter #3
    Jonas Valanciunas #5

    I tossed you a couple of bones by including Gasol and LaFrentz. Both of those guys have played PF and C so I included them. Other than that, there have been some real stinkers. I guess my point is that you don't waste a lotto pick on a guy who is going to (maybe) be a solid backup. There are plenty of those around. Obviously you wouldn't pass on a guy if he is the next Blake Griffin but he just happened to be white. The thing is, Zeller isn't the next Blake Griffin. He's the next Joel Przybilla if we're lucky.
     
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    i'm not saying you take zeller by any means, but discounting him purely because he is "white" is not the type of draft analysis i would want any team performing.
     

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