A year in which competition at a particular position isn't unusually weak. Jamaal Magloire, for example, made an All Star team, but that said a lot more about the quality of big men in the East that year than how good Magloire was.
No, his FG% does matters, and it also shows he's not dominating the paint. Last season he shot 57% on shots he attempted right under the rim. Dwight Howard? 74% Bynum? 73% Pau? 66% Marc? 69% Duncan? 63% I'm sure you get the idea by now, and tells you why he shot under 50% last season.
Are people seriously opposed to signing an all star center in a position that would help us out tremendously?
run a double pick with both of them and lillard, beyond nasty my only complaint is that he actually duplicates a little of what lma does, and is not explosive whatsoever, i would guess a vert in 20's
Hibbert would give us a "big physical" body. I see no duplication. A space eater. Leonard and LMA have height, but not much meat.
But the only years that matter are the next four years. Are they normal? Does that matter? Hibbert is an All Star.
I get what Minstrel is saying, but I actually think that Hibbert was a legitimate All-Star last year. As I posted previously, a 19 PER on 20 USG is very, very good for a guy who was thought to be a defensive specialist. I also like that the coaches in the East respected him enough to vote him into the game. For comparison, the year Jamaal Magloire made the All-Star game, he was a replacement player, and his PER for the season was 16.5 on 20 USG, and he only blocked 1 shot a game. That's not even "borderline" All-Star, but somebody had to go.
yeah, but it would give us so many options, I would love to see lma PaR high and Hibbert on the block, Nic spot up for a three..drool
I disagree. You're playing with the words as much as any... Hibbert's "max" deal is no different from the max deals for anyone coming off their rookie contract, which is all he can be compared to. Most franchise players are established as such by the end of their rookie deal, so it's a perfectly fair comparison. Hibbert is not in that category.
I don't think you really understand my point. I don't care whether the years are "normal" or whether a player actually makes the All Star team, really (especially with fans not always voting rationally). What I care about is whether the performance merits the All Star game, in my estimation, which generally means statistical evaluation. In my view, Hibbert was right around that level last year and hopefully he will be at least at that level in the next four years.
You seem to be asking this question as if the Blazers have to be a contender next year They don't. They can add a solid big man, let Meyers Leonard develop and play Aldridge at 5 for some stretches.
I never said that the max deal is any different from any other rookie deal, but "MAX" is a useless term because it pretends that all max deals are the same, and they aren't. RoyToy is implicitly putting Hibbert's next salary in the same category as a lot of players who will be paid a lot more than he is. The term "max deal" is pretty irrelevant for analysis. What if Portland offered him a penny less than max...would that be amenable to you and RoyToy since it's no longer "MAX money"? What's relevant is the actual dollars and years. If you think the actual money and years are too much, that's fine. But I think constantly harping on "max money" is pretty superficial and useless to actual analysis of the transaction.
There will always be someone who is unhappy no matter what you do. Can't make everyone happy. I personally think this is a good move. It might not work out in the end, but if you're going to throw max money at someone, why not an All-Star center who is only 25 years old? Seems like a good move to me
I understand your point but it doesn't matter. We don't compare one generation to another generation when deciding who to sign. You get the best center for the era you're in. Is Hibbert an All Star in 1994? Prob not but who cares? He's an All Star in this era and that is what we want. One of the best centers NOW. We want to the best in this league, not 1994.
Yeah, that's my one small concern. Still, remember how good the Blazers looked when LMA and Oden were both healthy? Hell, even Camby and LMA had success at some level, and Hibbert's a much better player on offense than Camby ever was as a Blazer.
