Minnesota wants Batum @ 11.25M a year

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I thought we all went over this yesterday. Batum signs, Hibbert signs, it doesn't matter when the contracts get matched.

Olshey went through basically the same thing with De'Andre Jordan last summer.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Huh?

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

If Batum signed an offer sheet, and THEN Hibbert signed his offer sheet, if we matched on Batum which we would likely have to before hearing from Hibbert, then we would not have the cap space available for Hibbert.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Well, if Hibbert doesn't sign on July 11, then it's fairly obvious that he's not interested in signing with Portland. If he's interested, he'll sign the same day as Nic (assuming Nic also signs July 11), and the entire scenario is moot.

The offer sheet will be ready and waiting for Hibbert on July 11. Same for Batum on July 11. If the league processes Batum's 30 seconds prior to Hibbert's, it doesn't mean that the cap space for Hibbert goes away, and his contract offer is invalid.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Right. I thought Hibbert had to sign before Batum in order for us to get them both. Literally minutes before

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

correct. Unless the league just goes by day, instead of actual minutes. If they go by actual time signed, then we need Hibbert to sign first. Or, would randomly need Indiana to decline early, which is extremely unlikely.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

That's been debunked. If that's the case, then every team and agent in the league is going to have their player sign literally the first second of July 11. Even with that, who knows really who signed first? Is there going to be a leaguewide video conference, with eagle-eyed league execs seeing who dots their I's and crosses their T's first at various offices around the land?

If that's the case, I like Portland's chances, because Roy Hibbert only has 10 letters, while Nicolas Batum has 12 letters. Both have one 'I' and one 'T', so that's a push. Somebody needs to teach Hibbert how to sign his name reallyreallysuper fast!

Anyhow, the whole "minutes" argument is absurd. Dwight Jaynes doesn't know what he was talking about last night.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

So it's day? Can Indy be shit heads then and wait until 11:59:59 to say they will match Hibbert?

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

this is different than what Jaynes was saying. jaynes was saying Batum's cap hold increases to his offer.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I would like to see the Blazers do a S&T or not match. It's just too much $$$. I liked Batum, but this kind of $$ is pretty crazy. If push comes to shove, just let the T-pups have Batum. Personally I think Kahn is nuts! Surrounding Kevin Love with a boatload of PG's and SF's will not win you anything. Does Kahn hate his coach or something? What a mess.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

True. Though they do have plenty of cap space, so I wouldn't think they would need to, but it's a possibility.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Surrounding him with a boatload of PGs and SFs?

Likely have Rubio/Batum/Budinger/Love/Pekovic(or Gasol)
with Ridnour/Wes/Webster/Williams/Darko.

Seems like a solid and well rounded team.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

The same principal applies, though. One player signing an offer sheet 3 seconds before another has no bearing on the offers that have been made. If the league says Nic signed at 12:00:03 and Hibbert at 12:00:04 on July 11th, that does not invalidate the contract to Hibbert. I really want to know where people are getting that information.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

That might be the worst defensive team in NBA history. It would be somewhat fun to watch, but it isn't going to win consistently.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

The league has always gone off when things are submitted. Haven't you ever heard about people scrambling to get trades into the league office before the trade deadline?

I was under the impression that Dwight Jaynes was claiming that Batum's offer from Minny would go on our cap the second they made the offer and wouldn't come off until we either match or decline. That was debunked. This is about Batum getting his deal into the league office before our offer to Hibbert, and I 100% believe that the league counts by the second. Larry Coon has no clue how the league office processes orders, he's a cap guru.

So you're saying that as long as we get an offer signed the same day as Batum gets his signed, we're okay? I don't think that's accurate. Wasn't there a tweet earlier about Minny wanting Batum signed on the 11th so he's not just using them as leverage?

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

If the league went by who got in their offer first, then it would matter, IF we wanted to match Batum.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

No, it doesn't invalidate the offer to Hibbert. Maybe Indy declines before the 3rd day and we can get him signed and then Batum signed, but if Batum's deal gets submitted before Hibberts, it will mean that we have to decide if we match or don't match BEFORE Hibbert's deal goes into effect.

If we match Batum's deal before Hibbert's goes into effect, we essentially lose the cap space that we offered to Hibbert. I don't see any way around this other than declining Batum's option.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Every team wants their FA target to sign on July 11th. That way, if the original team matches, you can offer another FA that much sooner.

As for getting things in at the trade deadline, that's a separate issue.

Are people really thinking that if Batum signs his deal literally one second before Hibbert, that means that the Hibbert deal is invalid? I see nowhere in the CBA that even insinuates that to be the case.