Minnesota wants Batum @ 11.25M a year

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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Really though. You're fine with leaving an entire FA period to chance, if seconds do matter? You and Nate are making a very bold claim, and it's a claim that could completely screw over the Blazers, yet I've seen no proof that the claim you're making is a fact.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    You keep saying it's absurd, but I would love to hear how you think it should go down. I think it's a first-come-first-serve basis. How often does this happen? One team trying to steal the player of another team who is trying to steal the player of another team. I've never seen it before. Usually it's pretty cut and dry. The Blazers offer a contract to Wes Matthews, who is an RFA, and the Jazz have three days to match. When have you ever seen a situation where a team has the cap space to make an offer, but also has an RFA that they might lose if they don't match?

    First-come-first-serve seems pretty logical and fair to me.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Me personally? what the fuck does that matter or have anything to do with anything? I admit I do not know for certain how it works, but stated what I THOUGHT was the way it worked. I could be wrong. You state me and Nate lack common sense, basically, for believing that, when you have nothing other than your own personal opinion to go off of. Again, no need to be a dick about it. Try to actually have a conversation, and maybe so many people wouldn't turn on you here.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    A jammed fax machine completely screwing over a team and a player does not sound realistic to me. We'll have to disagree on this one, because I'm not buying it, and under the old CBA, it was an 11:59pm EDT deadline to match after 7 days.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Yeah... it's not like we run the shit or came up with the idea. We are merely stating how we think the league does things.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    I didn't say you lack common sense. I said that common sense says that the way you describe the FA signing process is a pretty shitty way to run a FA period. Whether it's true or not still doesn't mean that it makes sense, or that you lack common sense. If it is the way the NBA runs under the new CBA, then it defies common sense.

    Looking at it from a business perspective, it makes no sense to me, and I don't believe it can possibly be true.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    So how does that make things better? If both deals are submitted at 12:01 AM on the 11th, and both teams have until 11:59 pm on the 13th, what do we do? Sit and hope that Indy declines or matches before we decline or match Batum? Is it a game of chicken?
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    The Player's Association hasn't updated to the current CBA on their site, but here's what the old one said:

    I'm going to assume that the new language is similar except for the number of days allowed. Note that it says "from the date" the offer is received. It doesn't say from the "time" it was received. My bet is that teams have until the end of the 3rd day's date to make their move so that all offers received on the same date are operating under the same clock.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    I don't know the answer to that question, but I've heard nothing out of the Blazer camp stating that the timing of having Batum sign matters much to their pursuit of Hibbert.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Yep, that's what I thought. The "day" of the offer, not the "time" of the offer.

    Let's put this one to bed.

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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    So the problem still applies though..... 11:59 PM on the final day.... who blinks first? If we are hoping to keep Batum and secure Hibbert, we better hope that Indy declines before the time runs out. If that's really how things work.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Olshey, I believe made a comment about wanting to sign Batum, but that there is a sequence involved. Same thing he mentioned last year when waiting on matching Jordan to sign Billups.
    I would imagine the "sequence' to be signing Hibbert first. Again, I don't know if it goes off of time. But I have seen nothing to state which way it is.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    So do they wait until 11:55 PM and if Indy hasn't declined yet, we decline Batum and hope that Indy doesn't fuck us?
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    whats all the fuss about, hes not worth this money.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Good question. I know KP doesn't have much love for PA, but it would be more than just KP screwing over the Blazers, and Donnie Walsh is very respected among the owners.

    That hypothetical could happen, though, I suppose.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    That's all we're arguing. What happens if we have to choose between matching Batum or letting him go and hoping Indy doesn't screw us. It doesn't matter if it's 12:01 am or 11:59 pm. At least if it was based on first-come-first-serve we could hope to get the deal in before Minny and have a minute to match before Indy's deadline. At this rate, we will just have to hope that Indy decides to decline to pursue other options and we get some cushion to make a decision on Batum.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Bonnes nouvelles
     
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