Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed)

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  1. Sedatedfork

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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    But I thought you hated Imaginary Cap Space?
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    I agree he is not worth it, the new CBA really punishes teams who overpay for rotation\role players and not thier all star caliber players....Basically POR is paying him like he is an all star which he is not close to being...

    On a championship caliber team he would be your 4th-6th best player, you don't pay those guys $11.5/year....

    I think POR should let him walk, and then next year go after thier RFA Pekovic whom they will be hard pressed to match...and if they do then go after Rubio a year later...They can't afford to pay all that movey to these guys with the way the new CBA is constructed.....
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    MEM is a playoff team, POR will be lucky to win 30 games next year....
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    Memphis wasn't a playoff team when he signed his deal.
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    I admit I haven't looked into those contract all that much, but were the teams in the same situation as we are? Meaning, were those teams matching offers when they were already over the cap, or were they actually eating into capspace they could have used later?

    If we were already over the cap (for example, had signed Hibbert) I'd have no problem with signing Nic, taking us even more over the cap. I just don't like the fact that we are limiting our flexibility now if we match this offer.

    You have to add the cost of signing Nic and the opportunity cost that we're giving up to come to the real cost of matching this. If we're already over the cap, there is no opportunity cost.
     
    blazerboy30, Jul 12, 2012
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    Lou Williams was signed with the $5m exception. Ryan Anderson got $9m a year.

    $11.625m a year seems like too much and a mistake to me. I won't be disappointed if we match, but I hope we do not.

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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    disagree. At this point you can't let him go for nothing. In a S&T, sure. But not for nothing, when all we'd have is a 16M hole of cap space and no young SF.

    But I agree that he's overpaid, based on Lou and Anderson and Ilyasova and others...
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    to me one of the big surprises was that Dragic only got 30 mil for 4 years - very reasonable deal IMO
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    not imaginary if you can use it right away.
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    Batum is the best SF left in the free agent pool. You match him at $11mil or offer a worse SF more money later because you couldn't close.
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    I agree... and that's at a position of scarcity and in an offseason where lots of teams are AWASH in money.

    I'd rather hang on to cap flexibility for the next summer or two until the salaries settle down and some (lots?) of teams dig themselves into deep holes by signing player to deals like Batum's alleged 11.625m per.

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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    you let him go for nothing and you open yourselves up to get into the bidding process to get guys like Brendan Haywood off amnesty waivers. its flexibility you get. especially for a guy who will likely be a malcontent and moody.
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    uhh, you're not going to offer a bad SF more than 11m. you can probably find guys in the 5-7m range who would be just as effective as batum (he isn't very effective)
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    we still have almost 6M to go after Haywood/Scola/(Darko?) or make lopsided trades.
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    Not offer more than 46.5m, certainly.

    If you offer a $4m/year value player $6m a year for two years, you might be overpaying more as a percentage of value, but it would be less onerous because it would leave you flexibility down the road in a way the Batum deal would not.

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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    well, the reason is dragic is way overhyped for what he actually was. he's not going to be an impact player in this league. like i said, ramon sessions syndrome going on with him.
     
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million


    as long as LMA is healthy i think that's a little pessimistic, and i don't see the relevance since batum will certainly make us better either way, and memphis was NOT a playoff team when they maxed out gay (summer 2010)
     
    crowTrobot, Jul 12, 2012
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    I still find no other source other than Haynes that confirms he signed. Are they using him? Do you see it anywhere else?
     
    Pinwheel1, Jul 12, 2012
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    Its nowhere else...interesting indeed...this would be a blow to Chris Haynes
     
    OSUBlazerfan, Jul 12, 2012
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    Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

    no. I asked Bucher, Hollinger, Adande, Spears and Woj, and no one's come back (or RT'd themselves) yet.
     
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